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post #1 of 74
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I am 16yr old male, 150lbs, 5' 8", skied 3 seasons and am in need of new ski equipment. I would like a pair of Volkl skis, either Tecnica or Atomic boots, and a pair of googles for mostly night skiing. I am an advanced skier (level 9-10) and ski 5-6 times per week during the season (Dec-Mar). Based on my weight and ski ability should I get the 06-07 Volkl Allstar or 5-Star and at what lenght? Both have been recommended to me by my ski instructors, but I cannot get in touch with them until the season and would like to purchase at the end of the summer. I ski mostly on groomed trails, but also enjoy the bumps; however, there is a lot of ice were I usually ski so I need a good all around ski. As for my current style, I like to ski fast with large radius turns, but need a mobile ski for the bumps (My parents will only buy me one pair of skis so it has to be versitile). As for the boots. I have a wide foot so I will be having my boots fitted and stance aligned. I am looking for something like an Atomic racing boot or Tecnica Magma boot. I have heard that Smith Optics' Sensor lense is excellent for day and night skiing, is this true and is there a better option? I am not worried about cost so I want the best equipment that I can easily use without excess fatigue or loss of control. Just ask if you need any other information. I am open to other suggestions as well. Thanks for your advice.

allstar
5-star
Tecnica magma
Atomic
post #2 of 74
I'm the same age and similar profile as you and I loved the 5 star. I skied it on a pretty icy day in northern michigan and it did great. It was really versatile and especially stable moving fast and I felt comfortable in short quick turns as well as long ones. Though I've never skied on it, I'd guess the allstar is more for speed, less versatile.

As for boots, I think everyone will tell you the same thing, your going to want to try your boots on and go to a bootfitter. Boots are all about comfort and you probably shouldn't just pick some off the internet.

And goggles are goggles. Not a big deal.

This probably wasn't helpful at all, but I am sure wiser people will help you more.
post #3 of 74
Sounds like you would like both the Volkl All Star and 5 Star. I have skied both and have friends that have owned and skied both. The All star is going to be less forgiving and will require a tad more work to ski than the 5 star. Either way go with a 168cm length. The 175cm is definitly too long for you. You may even consider a 161cm length but I think that would be too short. Either way you can not go wrong with Allstar or 5 Star skis. Both are awesome. Good luck!
post #4 of 74
Well, being who I am, I would really recommend you watch eBay and get yourself a used pair of Volant Superkarves, or even better, a pair of Volant Ti Supers. Oh, and learn to sharpen yer edges.

I have no advice on boots other than get something that fits snuggly.

If you are going to ski only nights, a clear lense is the best, but a yellow lense is good for nights and cloudy days.
post #5 of 74
Volkl AC3. I demoed them on monday. i was looking at the five stars, but it changed my mind.

Demo before you buy!
post #6 of 74
Thread Starter 
The Allstars are stiffer than than the 5-Star. Based on my weight some people have told me that they would be too stiff and I should go with the 5-Star. I am not sure about the stiffness of other skis like the AC's. This is my main concern. Thanks for the advice. I will go to the ski shop in a few weeks when all of the 06-07 models come it. (Hopefully, I will get my stuff without too much of a fight with my parents. )
post #7 of 74
Thread Starter 
by the way i live in the northeast and do not have the chance to go out west.
post #8 of 74
Still, I'd say the 5 star. And maybe I'm wrong but I thought there were almost no changes between the 05-06 5 star and the 06-07 ones. So unless you want to spend an extra 400 bucks for the new graphics why not just get the 06?

I could be wrong though.
post #9 of 74
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Originally Posted by Croaka
Volkl AC3. I demoed them on monday. i was looking at the five stars, but it changed my mind.

Demo before you buy!
I agree, the AC3 or 4 are two great skis from the Volkl line/
post #10 of 74
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Originally Posted by Phil Pugliese
I agree, the AC3 or 4 are two great skis from the Volkl line/
For a one ski guy . Demo both and decide. You won't go wrong.
If you get the time try the AC-4 before you make your mind up .
The AC-3 might just be better for east coast skiing .If you see a hot deal I would probably jump on it because it fits your profile
post #11 of 74
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Originally Posted by dubdub57
Still, I'd say the 5 star. And maybe I'm wrong but I thought there were almost no changes between the 05-06 5 star and the 06-07 ones. So unless you want to spend an extra 400 bucks for the new graphics why not just get the 06?

I could be wrong though.
I was going to add the same comment. A friend purchased a pair of 05-06 Volkl 5 stars for $500 including shipping on eBay in March. Given your weight I would lean more toward the 5 Star over the 6 star. I also have a pair of AC4s in my quiver. I noticed you said, "however, there is a lot of ice were I usually ski." The All Star and 5 star are significantly better on hardpack and ice. But if you think you may be skiing in over the knee powder more than one day per season, you may want to consider the AC4. The AC4 is a FUN FUN ski with only an inch of powder or more.
post #12 of 74
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Originally Posted by jamesgig
-- 16yr old male -- skied 3 seasons -- level 9-10 --
And 1 + 1 = 3

Best of all, probably all at Roundtop.

Ahhh, to be young.

:

YOT

-- Sorry, just couldn't resist. A word about life from an old instructor: Don't overstate your abilities in ANYTHING. It will always come back to bite you. FYI, there is no official level 10, but if there was, it probably would be someone who is one of the 10 best skiers in the world, not just the best in your circle of HS friends, not the best at Roundtop, not the best on the east coast, not the best in the USA, but IN THE WORLD - including instructors, patrollers, ski movie stars, etc.. A better way to have stated your abilities would be something like: "Can get down anything at Roundtop with grace, style and speed in all conditions" - that is, if you can really do even that. Good luck on finding your equipment.
post #13 of 74
YOT,

Head and Dynastar make very good Roundtop skis also (IMO).
post #14 of 74
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Originally Posted by jamesgig
I am 16yr old male, 150lbs, 5' 8", skied 3 seasons and am in need of new ski equipment. I would like a pair of Volkl skis, either Tecnica or Atomic boots, and a pair of googles for mostly night skiing. I am an advanced skier (level 9-10) and ski 5-6 times per week during the season (Dec-Mar). Based on my weight and ski ability should I get the 06-07 Volkl Allstar or 5-Star and at what lenght? Both have been recommended to me by my ski instructors, but I cannot get in touch with them until the season and would like to purchase at the end of the summer. I ski mostly on groomed trails, but also enjoy the bumps; however, there is a lot of ice were I usually ski so I need a good all around ski. As for my current style, I like to ski fast with large radius turns, but need a mobile ski for the bumps (My parents will only buy me one pair of skis so it has to be versitile). As for the boots. I have a wide foot so I will be having my boots fitted and stance aligned. I am looking for something like an Atomic racing boot or Tecnica Magma boot. I have heard that Smith Optics' Sensor lense is excellent for day and night skiing, is this true and is there a better option? I am not worried about cost so I want the best equipment that I can easily use without excess fatigue or loss of control. Just ask if you need any other information. I am open to other suggestions as well. Thanks for your advice.

allstar
5-star
Tecnica magma
Atomic
Hi, welcome to Epicski!

I tried on the Tecnica Diablo Magnesium. The Magma and Magnesium should be the same last. I don't recall Tecnica changing the last for '07. If you tried it on you know how it fits. If you didn't, i can tell you a few things about the fit. The forefoot is wide. It's really wide. IMO the forefoot can be more accomodating but it still has to hold the foot properly. For me it is too wide (and i downsized like most people did). The rearfoot is narrower but i couldn't tell how narrow it was b/c the liner is VERY THICK and the boot fit like a slipper. It sacrifices performance for comfort.

The plastic Tecnica uses for the Diablo is very soft IMO. Thank God they made the Magma stiffer. Don't pay attention to flex numbers b/c they are all made up. You have to try it on to know how stiff it really is. These boots flex better than the Icons they replaced. The latter struggled with the flex IMO.

I would not recommend the Magma if you like to ski fast. I would get the Atomic CS. This boot is wider in the forefoot than the RT Ti and would be a good choice for you (unless you have wide heels). I tried last year's RT plug (this year's Ti) and i can tell you that i i found the forefoot to be more accomdating than i had expected. Then i was told how the boot was designed to fit. The RT Ti is narrow at the ankle/heel area while the forefoot is more spacious. This allows the big toe to articulate and the skier is better balancer over the skis. There is no need for ultra narrow forefoot. And this goes for the CS too b/c it is the same design, just a bit more spacious last. Check out this thread here (post #13 and 20). Most of the control of a boot comes from the ankle/heel/lower leg area (including the area where the foot and lower leg come together which is directly related to flex and feedback). The forefoot can be more accomodating (which is needed for the big toe to articulate) but it still has to hold the foot properly. Sometimes it can be too wide. I suspect that this is not going to be a problem for you if you have wide feet. I know all these things from the boot guy you asked on another thread, Jeff Bergeron.

Regarding the skis, i really like the fact that Volkl will use titanium for both the Allstar and 5 Star. I would get the Allstar if i skied really fast and longer turns. The 5 Star i would get if i were a less aggressive skier.

Jamie
post #15 of 74
Thread Starter 
To the guy who said dont over estimate your ablities...according the the level descriptions at Roundtop, I would fit between the level 9 and 10. My instructors said that my lowerbody movement is the best he has ever seen and almost perfect, but my upperbody still has a little to learn. So based on the information I have and the requirements for each level there, I believe that I would be about a 9.5 (it is near imposible to be a 10.0 since "style and grace" is near impossible to acheive all of time). I can make near perfect "railroad tracks" the whole way down the hill and almost have the same precision with my upperbody.

What advantage do the two sheets of titanium have? What realitive stiffness should I be looking for in a boot?
post #16 of 74
Most of the upper level kid racers in the 16 year old group like to rip it up on their SL's, and on PA powder, I'd be looking for a "newish" but used race stock ski for that.

Be vary wary of "instructors rating you a 9 to 10" ...

..... "PA powder" is ice ...
post #17 of 74
Thread Starter 
Can I use a race ski in the bumps?

Why should I be wary of instructors rating me at a 9.5? They say I can ski better than most of the instuctors at the mountain and that I should try to take some lessons from Diann Roffe who gives lessons.
post #18 of 74
Wow James is must be something to be such a great a skier after three years and so humble too.
Maybe if you have time and need some extra cash you might go to Aspen and apply for Weems's job. He is old and couldn't compete with a hotshot like you say you are.

TGR films each year and it would great to see you on the screen albeit with many lessor skiers but slumming is fun also
Give Warrem Miller Productions a call and I am sure they could capture your greatness on film for us all to admire
I've never had the pleasure to share words with a skier of your caliber. I am thinking you should post at TGR they could use your input as many of them aren't as good as their instructors and could use your divine guidance.
Good luck to you and watch out for those snow snakes. They can be a bear.

I see Roundtop has a stunning vert of 600 ft .It must not be very challenging for you maybe Yuki can recommend some of the other big hills in the east. Maybe if you tuck you can get up to 30mph by the time you run out of hill. You just may be a 9.5 on the Roundtop scale. Do a search and see what a real mountain looks like
post #19 of 74
You will note that I said get a "newish" pair of SL's for eastern ice.

No single ski does everything does it? They routinely ski the bumps on their SL's .... is an SL a perfect bump ski? No it isn't now is it!
post #20 of 74
OK then,

This is the best thread ever.
Garry Z and Young OldTimer, you guys beat me to it.
Here's further proof that:

Youth is Wasted on the Young.

Hey jamesgig,
Welcome.
I was that good when I was 16 too!!!
post #21 of 74
Thread Starter 
I said based on the descriptions at Roundtop since I have not been able to go out west to any x000 ft vert and am unable to take many trips to other larger ski resorts on the east coast. At Roundtop a level 9 is described as being able to make dynamic parallel turns on almost any terrain and conditions. Based on this desciption, I would fit into this category. If the level is described differently at your mountain, I would be interested to see where I fit in at a larger mountain. Thanks for your help.
post #22 of 74
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Originally Posted by jamesgig
I said based on the descriptions at Roundtop since I have not been able to go out west to any x000 ft vert and am unable to take many trips to other larger ski resorts on the east coast. At Roundtop a level 9 is described as being able to make strong parallel turns on almost any terrain and conditions. Based on this desciption, I would fit into this category. If the level is described differently at your mountain, I would be interested to see where I fit in at a larger mountain. Thanks for your help.
James go to the Aspen Resort site and read their method of measurement of ski skills and you will understand why we said these seemingly unfriendly things to you. This is a pretty accepted skill rating ,

We had some fun at your expense and I hope you don't hold it against us.
Welcome to the forum and I really hope you hang around .

No hard feelings, Ok?

We all sure need some snow so us in the northern hemisphere can all ski and be happy.
post #23 of 74
Quote:
Originally Posted by jamesgig
I said based on the descriptions at Roundtop since I have not been able to go out west to any x000 ft vert and am unable to take many trips to other larger ski resorts on the east coast. At Roundtop a level 9 is described as being able to make dynamic parallel turns on almost any terrain and conditions. Based on this desciption, I would fit into this category. If the level is described differently at your mountain, I would be interested to see where I fit in at a larger mountain. Thanks for your help.
first welcoem to the website dont let the old guys get you down.

Roundtop from my understanding has Upper Gunbarral which is pitch at 25 degrees I think. I will buy your level 9 at roundtop stufff, but if you want to really test you skills go here www.blueknob.com. Then come back to us on your skill level.
post #24 of 74
A level 10 must be able to ski with a high level of comfort under any conditions at any time. Few of us even come close to that. Boiler plate ice on a trail like the National or Starr with or without bumps at Stowe will humble 97% of us 97% of the time. Are you that good? Use the PSIA charts to determine your level.

Spoke with my 16 year old racer .... does over 150 days a year. He says with his pack .... doesn't matter ... they hit the bumps on their 205 SG's but it is not necessarily recommended.

Want a good bump ski ... look for something with less sidecut, but not necessarily a 205 ...

This comes back to my point that you may want to get a pair or two of used skis to use under different conditions.

Helluva skier has a great tag line at the end of each of his posts .... check it out.
post #25 of 74
Thread Starter 
based on the PSIA levels, I would describe myself as a 3 but am not sure about being able to ski on all mountains as I have not ventured to any western peaks, but based on the turning requirements, I think that it is correct.


unfortunately my mom will not let me offically race because she thinks I will get hurt even though she has never seen me ski so I am not sure if I want to go the race ski route
post #26 of 74
I think I'm not breaking any rules but try skiersoutlet.com, they have some decent deals, if you don't want to mess with ebay, And they have the 5 stars.
post #27 of 74
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Originally Posted by BushwackerinPA
first welcoem to the website dont let the old guys get you down.
Who are you calling OLD?
post #28 of 74
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Originally Posted by dubdub57
Still, I'd say the 5 star. And maybe I'm wrong but I thought there were almost no changes between the 05-06 5 star and the 06-07 ones. So unless you want to spend an extra 400 bucks for the new graphics why not just get the 06?

I could be wrong though.
The only difference is(I believe) they are going from the motion system bindings to the IPT, in most of the Volkl line up and I think that includes the Five Star. If so.....the IPT binding system helps with the energy of the ski in a positive way.
post #29 of 74
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Originally Posted by jamesgig
based on the PSIA levels, I would describe myself as a 3 but am not sure about being able to ski on all mountains as I have not ventured to any western peaks, but based on the turning requirements, I think that it is correct.


unfortunately my mom will not let me offically race because she thinks I will get hurt even though she has never seen me ski so I am not sure if I want to go the race ski route
James the skills taught you in racing would make you a better skier, a safer skier and less apt to hurt yourself.
Racing is a competitive sport and injuries can happen but I think starting young will be a real benifit to you and your skiing.
Tell mom I said so
post #30 of 74
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Originally Posted by BushwackerinPA
first welcoem to the website dont let the old guys get you down.

Roundtop from my understanding has Upper Gunbarral which is pitch at 25 degrees I think. I will buy your level 9 at roundtop stufff, but if you want to really test you skills go here www.blueknob.com. Then come back to us on your skill level.
Hey Bush .To this guy you are an old guy too::
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