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post #121 of 141
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...then more power to you for being able to make the judgement call that the prices for any moves were too high. Maybe it's a good thing that all these young pitchers are getting a little trial by fire. I remain hopeful for this year, but will not be crushed if they fail to make the playoffs.
agreed. i don't think pragmatism equates to defeatism.

there must be a game plan beyond "we're going all the way this year...or bust." it's a balancing act every front office deals with.

detroit is an example of a team that stuck with kids who have had to learn the game at this level, and they got beat up bad for a few years doing it, but i think it's safe to say now, whether or not they Go All The Way, that the wait, while painful, is panning out.

this has nothing to do with sox v. yankees; every franchise has to make the call when it comes to getting a big-name player who'll put up numbers now, for big bucks, for "no-name" prospects who may not amount to much...or make good later at your expense.

that's why there some scouts, whose names you'll never hear, are so valued, and why it's hard to be a competitive team year in and year out.

(having money to throw around helps.)

that's why organizations like oakland and minnesota are so impressive, despite the lack of recent championships. they have to use smoke and mirrors and their farm system and be very picky about who they give the large money to.
though the twins might look at david ortiz and heave up a collective wince at one that got away.

every team makes its blunders, every team scores its coups; keeping the screw-ups to a minimum and being patient with the diamonds until they're polished enough to contribute is a start toward "success."
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though the twins might look at david ortiz and heave up a collective wince at one that got away.
He was put on waivers, right? Ouch.
post #123 of 141
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He was put on waivers, right? Ouch.
I believe Ortiz was non-tendered (They didnt offer him a contract). At least with waivers they would have gotten someone in return, since you cant trade draft piacks in baseball. The Sox got him for free, and he shared time with the likes of Shea "The Ship is Sinking" Hillenbrand and Jeremy Giambi, until Giambi got hurt and Shea was moved for Byun-Hyung Kim.
post #124 of 141
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"The Ship is Sinking"
Speaking of, do you think Francona will make it to next season? On another board, someone mentioned Lou Piniella's name, which I think would be a great idea for the Chowds, as I've always been unimpressed by Tito.
post #125 of 141
Lou "we'll throw at you" Pinella? I hope not. First off, he's from "there", and more importantly, just never liked the guy.
post #126 of 141
No doubt, he's a handful, but he's got fire and smarts that are MIA in Francona. As for being from "there," over the past 15 years, he's managed Cincinatti, Seattle, and Tampa Bay... haven't his Yankees credentials run out?

I know it won't happen, but it'd be a ballsy move from the Sox, and he'd certainly motivate them more than the tobacco spitter.
post #127 of 141
I hope not- Ive been pretty impressed with Francona. I think we underestimate sometimes playing here, and managing here is even more underrated. The way he backs his players is so key, especially in this town where the media leads the charge after every loss to find a culprit. The problem is not the manager. He hasnt served up a single home run or grounded into one inning killing DP. He can only play who is on the team- and most of the guys now are hurt. Pinella is great for a team like the Rays or another young team with a bright future (like Girardi with the Marlins- except Piniella's temper is much quicker). His knowledge of the game and his demand on the young players is great, but honestly would wear thin in Boston or NY- anywhere with mostly veteran players and a need to be more PR than a strategist. In a perfect world you could get Piniella to maybe motivate Manny some more, but a lot of veterans simply wouldnt respond to it (in my opinion). Anyway- we cant blame this on Francona- when your bench looks like Kapler, Mirabelli, an injured WilyMo, youve got very little in the way of options. Earlier in the year people were playing so well (which could be a positive for Francona) but its tough to last all year- the team just isnt that good this year.
post #128 of 141
Just watched five innings of the 1978 "Bucky F-ing Dent" game on YES Network. What a matchup:

Yaz, Fisk, Lynn, Rice, Scott, Hobson, Burleson

vs.

Rivers, Randolph, Munson, Jackson, Nettles, Piniella

Hard to believe the Chowds weren't able to go all the way on that lineup. You've NEVER seen anyone swing harder than George Scott... heh. And Reggie Jackson had the most graceful home run swing ever.
post #129 of 141
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You've NEVER seen anyone swing harder than George Scott...
George didn't "go yard."
Didn't "hit it out."
No mere "home run" for George.

"Boomer" hit "taters."

Actually finished up his career with the Yankees the end of '79.
post #130 of 141

from the "be careful what you wish for" file

This sucks... September's going to be a big snooze.

Hopefully, the Carl Pavano saga will provide some drama. You have to wonder what's going through his head, knowing that both the city and his teammates hate his guts. I'm just hoping that Cashman's private investigation team uncovers some contract-voiding dirt... though Cashman deserves tar and feathering for getting into a bidding war with Boston for a guy with one good season under his belt.
post #131 of 141
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This sucks...
a little bit more on this side, pal. :

get over it.
post #132 of 141
What's going on with Pavano?
post #133 of 141
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post #134 of 141
I don't follow or care at all about baseball.
Heck if you offered me a souvenir baseball autographed by Joe Montana I wouldn't give you $2 for it.
I'm just posting here to pad my count.
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Guess I also showed I don't care or follow football either.
post #135 of 141
I think this thread might have to be suspended until next year. Or start a new one named Sox/BlueJays Act 1. The race is on!!! Winner take all...of second place.
post #136 of 141
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cue snow.
post #137 of 141
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This sucks... September's going to be a big snooze.

Hopefully, the Carl Pavano saga will provide some drama. You have to wonder what's going through his head, knowing that both the city and his teammates hate his guts. I'm just hoping that Cashman's private investigation team uncovers some contract-voiding dirt... though Cashman deserves tar and feathering for getting into a bidding war with Boston for a guy with one good season under his belt.
Maybe the Big Papi thing will provide some more drama. When they figure out he should stop taking HGH or else, something's going to hit the fan.
post #138 of 141
So do we all agree now that Jeter will win AL MVP? All-around hitting and fielding... he's the man.
post #139 of 141
Red Sox rookie pitcher Jon Lester was diagnosed with a "treatable form of cancer." He has lymphona.

There is no mention of the prognosis.

This team was literally decimated by injuries the last few weeks.

Right now our starting DH (Ortiz) Left fielder (Ramirez) Right fielder (Nixon) Shortstop (Gonzalez) Catcher and Captain (Varitek) Pitchers (Clement, Wakefield, Lester) backup Outfielder (Pena) are out.

The lineup looks like a AAA club.

Very sad.
post #140 of 141
Don't forget your closer and your #1 pitcher.
post #141 of 141

"Georgie Juices One!!"

Actually, two.

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