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post #1 of 19
Thread Starter 
From the Salt Lake Tribune. Thoughts? Comments? Feelings?

http://www.sltrib.com/utah/ci_4039610
post #2 of 19
I think it is kind of a bummer... I like skiing at those areas because they are big mountains that do not have an over-developed base area like you see at most western resorts - especially the ones you find colorado. Likely the construction will go in phases and will not be close to being approved for several years. I do worry what it will do to the mounain traffic at Snowbird though... usually the area is pretty quiet by large western ski area standards.
Later
GREG
post #3 of 19

Good Idea

I think more beds in LCC would be easier on the environment. They have sewer installed. I could be wrong but I believe skiers who stay @ Snowbird don't usually drive. The area is becoming more popular and the Road to and from Sandy is becoming more congested. Maybe more hotel rooms at the resort and some sort of discount for coming into the Canyon via shuttle would be better for the environment.

I think the increasing number of cars and ever increasing parking space is the biggest threat to any ecosystem
post #4 of 19
So an expansion from 900 to 3100 rooms at Snowbird. There is a significant shortage of accomodations at the LCC resorts, and this causes a lot of traffic on the canyon road. I don't think construction of hotel and lodge rooms creates signficant additional traffic in the canyon because it displaces some of the folks commuting in from SLC, Sandy and even at the Park City resorts who are unable to get accomodations at Altabird. Impacts can be mitigated and engineered with careful planning and design. Avalanche paths are an issue that requires planning and engineering.

Utahns are very sensitive about impacts to their viewscapes and even visibility can be minigated using terrain, underground parking and other approaches. It is clearly not a zero impact propostion; and that is where this becomes more of a political issue. The need / demand is there. It is within the scope of the approved original master plan. If the impacts can be minimized I guess I'm in favor.
post #5 of 19
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by MTT
They have sewer installed.
There is a significant issue with the CAPACITY of that sewer line down the canyon. The problem with the road isn't a weekly visitor issue, it's a daily visitor issue.

L
post #6 of 19

Look to the Future

Another option I would like to see for BCC and LCC would be a Hotel / Motel development in Sandy or the surrounding area that is set up and marketed to LCC visitors. And area that is pedestrian friendly, with shopping and restaurants within user friendly walking distance, the ability to purchase lift passes, and FREE and Frequent shuttle service to Snowbird and Alta. Service than gets you direct from your room to the resort from early morning until Late in the evening.
And easy secure affordable ski, boot storage at the resorts would be nice. When staying in Sandy you don’t want to have to drag your stuff up and down the hill every day.


Even with that the Canyon still sucks when its storming.
post #7 of 19
I wonder how they plan on filling those rooms? Other than peak season, I've never had a problem getting a room up the canyon at the last minute.
post #8 of 19
Thread Starter 
Working up canyon, I've heard all sorts of things regarding "the road" and public transport up the road. I take all of them with a grain of Salt. One thing I'd personally like to see would be a train up the canyon, al la the train to St. Mortiz or Zermatt. Before everyone gets all excited, I know it's been thought about, but there aren't any serious plans to do it. My personal thought would be a high speed light rail line underneath the road that terminated at the Snowbird center. Buses could provide the connection to Alta. I'm sure Save Our Canyons would have a fit. I know for sure that UDOT is studying the road issue in LCC. I have also heard rumors that the the next road will be "covered" in places to reduce the amount of avalanche control work that has to be done. I think the main issue they are studying is not getting traffic up the canyon, but the traffic flow out of the resorts after they close for the day. That is the most dangerous situation they face. Lots of cars jammed up on a snowy road, with the avalance danger rising by the minute, with no way of closing the road at that point to do control work. I've heard roumors (taken with a grain of salt) of stop lights at each of the Snowbird exit gates).

L
post #9 of 19
Quote:
Originally Posted by SHREDHEAD
I wonder how they plan on filling those rooms? Other than peak season, I've never had a problem getting a room up the canyon at the last minute.
I agree they need to do more in the off season, but two times this winter I attempted to get a room at SnowBird. 1 time they were booked and in Feb (Non Holliday) they wanted 190$ per night to stay at The INN.

In previous years it was cheapper and eaisier. For many of us when
Room Rates go over 100$ Even 75$ a night resorts start getting overlooked.
post #10 of 19
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lonnie
Working up canyon, I've heard all sorts of things regarding "the road" and public transport up the road. I take all of them with a grain of Salt. One thing I'd personally like to see would be a train up the canyon,
L
Thats will happen eventualy, I would like to see that start sooner than later. Same goes for the Tahoe Area.
post #11 of 19
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MTT
Thats will happen eventualy, I would like to see that start sooner than later. Same goes for the Tahoe Area.
It makes sense on many levels. If underground or protected with avalanche sheds, it would be a good way (the only way) to get people up and down the canyon during an interlodge situation.

L
post #12 of 19
Quote:
Originally Posted by MTT
In previous years it was cheapper and eaisier. For many of us when
Room Rates go over 100$ Even 75$ a night resorts start getting overlooked.
Exactly my point, they will never be able to compete with the cheap rooms in the valley.
I would guess that they plan to sell off or time share out the rooms and keep the management contract. But I don’t see these new rooms making any money for the people that buy them.
post #13 of 19
I'm wondering where they would put them? With underground parking there would seem to be some room in the Gadzoom area and if they ripped out the Chickadee lift they could put something between the Cliff & Snowbird Center. The only other place I see available is toward Baby Thunder and they would have to add/reconfigure lifts to get people on the hill from there.

I don't know anything about their master plan, but that's my casual observer view not taking environmentals etc... into consideration.
post #14 of 19
Are there parking space restrictions in BCC & LCC? I remember a few years ago when Solitude was building it's village, for every space they created for the condos, they had to remove one from the day skier parking lot.
post #15 of 19
Oh great, SB will now build more of those purpose build concrete abominations they seem to be so fond of architectually. Can't they at least put a little more thought into the look/feel of those places?

Powdr
post #16 of 19
Someone is going to make a lot of money from selling those new condos. The county planning commission should insist that some of that is channeled into building avalanche galleries on the access road.

(Even Afghanistan has them : http://www.unjlc.org/tools/afghanist...gFactSheet.PDF
post #17 of 19
Quote:
Originally Posted by Powdr
Oh great, SB will now build more of those purpose build concrete abominations they seem to be so fond of architectually. Can't they at least put a little more thought into the look/feel of those places?

Powdr

When I'm "interlodged" I appreciate the avalanche-resistance of those purpose-built abominations!
post #18 of 19

access road

The LCC access road follows the grade of the original railroad which served the silver mines at Alta. Rail is not out of the question, though certainly expensive. Avalanche sheds have been discussed for decades, but never seem to happen. I agree that the major hazard is downhill traffic at the end of the day. The way it is set up now, skiers from Alta get backed up because when the "snake" is running, people alternate between each snowbird entry and the main road, and the cars coming down from Alta get about every 8th spot by the time they pass the lowest snowbird entry.

There is very little room at the current base of Snowbird for new construction, but more room down by Baby Thunder. I have never understood the economics of Snowbird. They always seem to be in major debt, but seem to build big, expensive things anyhow.
post #19 of 19
Bollocks....

The traffic created by the construction workers will be terrible.

The space available for building is limited.

Bite the bullet, build light rail and help Sandy and the Valley out. I would like to see all vehicles out of the Canyon except for ambulance and emergency vehicles.
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