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post #1 of 18
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My NY PE license requires continuing education, and I've been looking for courses I can take in the mountains, preferably in Colorado. Doctors and lwayers can easily find credits at ski resorts, but I never find any for architects or engineers. I'm self-employed, and if I could find some continuing education it would make my ski vacations at least partially tax deductible.
Does anyone have any ideas?

BK
post #2 of 18
I'm not an engineer nor do I have any worthwhile suggestions but I must say that is a brilliant scheme to double up continuing education and ski trips!

Best of luck!
post #3 of 18
I'm not a REAL engineer, but I slept in a Holiday Inn Express last night and discovered that the Colorado School of Mines is in Golden and the University of Utah also has engineering classes in Salt Lake City. If you're looking for an excuse, go to Utah. If you're looking for an education, go to Colorado.
post #4 of 18
If you want some mediocre skiing right next to the university, you could check out Michigan Tech. We own our own hill (www.skimontripley.com) and have another within 45 minutes that can rock (www.mtbohemia.com.)

www.mtu.edu.

Decent snow, not a lot of vertical, great people, different culture, lots of things to do outdoors.
post #5 of 18
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Originally Posted by therusty
...If you're looking for an excuse, go to Utah. If you're looking for an education, go to Colorado.
Hey....easy there. As a UofU engineering grad, I can tell you it is one of the better schools in the region, if not the country. Just ask Fleischmann and Pons about it.

Powdr
post #6 of 18
interesting, i am a Mechanical Engineering student at U of Vermont. I didnt know that some states require continuing education to keep the PE. At UVM we have a course called ski resort management. And a design course where you work with burton and build a snowboard. Not a ski, but its a similar idea. what field are you?
post #7 of 18
You didn't say what type of engineer you are? Usually check your Professional Organizations websites for upcoming conferences. For instance, ASCE is showing a Geotech conference in Denver in Feb '07. That is pretty darn close without being on the slopes.

If you haven't already figured it out, there probably aren't many Enginerds like us skiing, so the point of having a conference at a ski resort in winter is probably slim to none. If you do find one....PLEASE let me know!!!

Good luck!
post #8 of 18
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Originally Posted by Powdr
Hey....easy there. As a UofU engineering grad, I can tell you it is one of the better schools in the region, if not the country. Just ask Fleischmann and Pons about it.
Well, you did note that UofU got a higher mention than Cal Tech - South Lake Tahoe campus or my personal alma matter: the Georgia Institute of Mental Illness? Part of my comment was that UofU is a U - they offer everything under the sun in addition to Engineering while CSoM is an Engineering school, but the bulk of it was because there is better skiing closer. Actually, UofU may be a better fit education wise because they actually had a continuing education link on their site.

BTW - What's the difference between a brown noser and an ass kisser?

Allie's note also reminded me about a "scam" my sister used to run. As a veterinarian, she also needs continuing education. About 40 of them would get together at a ski resort for a week. They'd take turns organizing the thing. Organizer arranges for visiting speakers/topics and handles the paperwork (airline/hotel deals). Sessions in the morning, skiing in the PM (or vice versa if you like). Organizer gets the trip for free and a free "scouting" trip (to pre arrange logistical stuff, ensure the lodging is slope side and make sure the snow is acceptable) (that's the scam part). There's got to be 40 engineers that ski in NY.
post #9 of 18
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Originally Posted by therusty
Allie's note also reminded me about a "scam" my sister used to run. As a veterinarian, she also needs continuing education. About 40 of them would get together at a ski resort for a week. They'd take turns organizing the thing. Organizer arranges for visiting speakers/topics and handles the paperwork (airline/hotel deals). Sessions in the morning, skiing in the PM (or vice versa if you like). Organizer gets the trip for free and a free "scouting" trip (to pre arrange logistical stuff, ensure the lodging is slope side and make sure the snow is acceptable) (that's the scam part). There's got to be 40 engineers that ski in NY.
That's exactly the kind of thing I'm looking for- something that will minimally disrupt my vacation but make the trip at least partly deductible. Doctors and lawyers do that stuff all the time. Some programs don't even require pre-registration.
CEU credits travel across State lines, and some even cross over between engineers and architects, so everyone doesn't need to be from NY. The problem is that most engineers are employees, and their companies won't pick up the tab for trips to ski resorts, and you need to be self-employed to take advantage of tax deductions. Most engineers seem to get their credits from cheap/free programs run by consultants and/or equipment salesmen, or their companies provide in-house programs. Unfortunately, I'm not able to take advantage of much of that where I live.

BK
post #10 of 18
Then find 40 indepedent engineers in NY who ski, and one of those consultants who ski, organize the first trip then pawn the next one off on one of the other 40.

Sounds simple enough, eh? You might try looking for a consultant willing to let you advertise your idea to his client list.
post #11 of 18
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Originally Posted by Bode Klammer
The problem is that most engineers are employees, and their companies won't pick up the tab for trips to ski resorts, and you need to be self-employed to take advantage of tax deductions. Most engineers seem to get their credits from cheap/free programs run by consultants and/or equipment salesmen, or their companies provide in-house programs. Unfortunately, I'm not able to take advantage of much of that where I live.

BK
While they may not be able to get the tax write off, they get the company to pay for it, so there's even more incentive.

I don't see why it has to be advertised as being at a ski resort. No reason you couldn't have a... ummm... "conference" in Eagle Colorado or Salt Lake City. hell, I'm going to a conference in Las Vegas in two weeks that my multi-Billion dollar company is paying for, which is for a specific financial tool we use. I'm sort of annoyed that they never have these conferences at ski areas also. They always seem to be in Los Angeles, FL (right on the beach in Clearwater or in Orlando) or here in VA. I really have no desire to go to Las Vegas in the middle of the summer. I'm not a gambler, as is the case with most Finance people.
post #12 of 18
So how do you tell the extroverterted engineer?




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They're the one looking at the other persons shoes!!!

Sorry, but I had to post that as I work with a bunch of engineers!
post #13 of 18
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by JohnH
While they may not be able to get the tax write off, they get the company to pay for it, so there's even more incentive.

I don't see why it has to be advertised as being at a ski resort. No reason you couldn't have a... ummm... "conference" in Eagle Colorado or Salt Lake City. hell, I'm going to a conference in Las Vegas in two weeks that my multi-Billion dollar company is paying for, which is for a specific financial tool we use. I'm sort of annoyed that they never have these conferences at ski areas also. They always seem to be in Los Angeles, FL (right on the beach in Clearwater or in Orlando) or here in VA. I really have no desire to go to Las Vegas in the middle of the summer. I'm not a gambler, as is the case with most Finance people.
It's not that employees can't get their companies to pay for continuing education, it's that they can't get travel expenses to go to a 2 hour per day class at a ski or golf resort. I'm self employed, and I'm just looking to find inexpensive courses to make my vacations tax deductible, the way doctors and lawyers do.
An earlier post got me thinking about it, so I did some research and found an organization that will certify courses for a small, refundable fee. You send them a course outline, along with your qualifications and $75, and they certify your course (or suggest improvements). The worst case is they refund $50. You can give the course for one year, and they keep all the records. If we got 5 guys to write one 2-hour course each, we could put it together as a program. Just about anybody must know enough to put together a 2 hour course about his own work. We could all meet in Aspen for a week, ski our brains out and go home with 10 credits and a bunch of tax deductions. If we marketed it a little, we might even make some money. If anyone knows how to manipulate Google, we might be able to reach every engineer in the world. It might even become a real business.
Then we could do it all over again in Cozumel.
If any one is interested, send me a PM.

BK
post #14 of 18
Used to live with an MD. For two years we attended the Lake Placid Sports Medicine Society Meeting for CME credits. Breakfast lecture 6-8 am, cocktails and lecture 4-6 pm, after dinner lecture 7-9 pm. Six hours a day of credits and open time from 8 am to 4 pm when the lifts were open.

Best sideline of this story is when a drug rep approached us during the cocktail time and looking right at me started into his pitch about a 50% reduction in the sodium content of his latest drug and now I could prescribe it at xyz mg per dose 3x/day. I looked him right back in the eye and said "I haven't got one clue of what you are talking about, I am a Ski Instructor, SHE is the Doctor."
Ever see a guy who wanted to melt through the floor and just disappear???
post #15 of 18
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Originally Posted by Stache
Used to live with an MD. For two years we attended the Lake Placid Sports Medicine Society Meeting for CME credits. Breakfast lecture 6-8 am, cocktails and lecture 4-6 pm, after dinner lecture 7-9 pm. Six hours a day of credits and open time from 8 am to 4 pm when the lifts were open.
That's exactly whatI want to do. I see now that my mistake was not marrying an MD.

BK
post #16 of 18
some of us are working on it
post #17 of 18
Not sure what kind of ed you're seeking, but this showed up in my e-mail today:

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Originally Posted by CU Denver
University of Colorado at Denver and Health Science Center
College of Engineering and Applied Science
Continuing Engineering Education Program


To learn more about the following classes, visit www.cudenver.edu/engineer/cont

Click on “Course Information” and then click on the course number to locate
additional information on the class of your choice. Find the link to our registration form (in PDF format) at the bottom of each web site page. Fill
the form out, then: email, fax, or mail it to us to register for a course.
We will then send you an email confirmation.

NCES 8050: Professional Engineer’s Examination Refresher Course for
Electrical Engineering
Saturdays, August 19 – October 14, 2006; 8:30 a.m. – 12:30 p.m.; $475
Registrations received Saturday, August 12 or later will be assessed an
additional $35 fee. Register now!

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post #18 of 18
Wonder if they have one starting in say December, running til April?

I'm a EE btw although I never got my PE. Would be nice to have though ....
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