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# Ski Length for Different Race Courses

Hi

I went in my first ski race 2 years ago and completed the course
successfully except I found that my GS Skis could not carve around
the gates (only skid) due to their length being too long for the position of the gates outside the fall line. The course was a GS Course. Has anyone else had this problem as I have been told my ski length would be more suited to a Super G Course. Perhaps there is a formula for calculating the optimum ski length for a given type of race course.

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 Originally Posted by Cassina Hi I went in my first ski race 2 years ago and completed the course successfully except I found that my GS Skis could not carve around the gates (only skid) due to their length being too long for the position of the gates outside the fall line. The course was a GS Course. Has anyone else had this problem as I have been told my ski length would be more suited to a Super G Course. Perhaps there is a formula for calculating the optimum ski length for a given type of race course. Any advise much appreciated
Cassina:

It would help if you could give some info about your weight, age, experience, the length of the skis you were using, and the approximate radius of the gates.

What you may have run into is that extremely good racers can make a long GS ski carve a much tighter turn than it's designed radius, but that's graduate-level skiing/racing. If the gates were fairly tight and the turn radius of your skis is fairly long, it's going to be quite a chore to carve turns all the way through.
I don't race, so I stand to be corrected, but I have been skiing racing skis for quite a few years.

In order to bend a ski you need a combination of weight and speed. If you are lighter you need to go faster. Skidding looses speed. You have to get the skis on edge while driving that edge down. If allowed you should get a ski with a shorter turn radius. If you are very light, you should look for a softer flexing ski. I weigh 160 llbs today, and my choice for a GS ski would probably be 190 cm.
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 Originally Posted by Bob Peters Cassina: It would help if you could give some info about your weight, age, experience, the length of the skis you were using, and the approximate radius of the gates. What you may have run into is that extremely good racers can make a long GS ski carve a much tighter turn than it's designed radius, but that's graduate-level skiing/racing. If the gates were fairly tight and the turn radius of your skis is fairly long, it's going to be quite a chore to carve turns all the way through.

I am 181cm tall, 14 stone and am 48 years old. The length of my skis is
188cm and ski type Volkl P50 F1 Energy. I also ski on 205cm Volkl P10 GS which I imagine would have been even harder to try and carve turn through the gates. This was my very first race but I have skied on GS skis
for 14 years and I was just interested to see how I would go on an actual
GS Race Course. I am not sure of the radius of the gates but since that race due to a need to replace my boots I ended up buying a pair with greater forward lean than my old ones and I found I was automatically able to get tighter turns from the Volkl P50s so the boot change may make an improvement on my ability to carve tight turns through the gates. I also have a pair of Volkl AC4 177cm which although would be slower down the race course may make better carves through the gates
than my P50s.
I am only interested in trying to achieve a nice technical carve through
the gates at this stage rather than focussing on winning. Even with my P50s I won a bottle of wine as it was a handicapped race hence my interest in pursuing racing further.
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 Originally Posted by Ghost I don't race, so I stand to be corrected, but I have been skiing racing skis for quite a few years. In order to bend a ski you need a combination of weight and speed. If you are lighter you need to go faster. Skidding looses speed. You have to get the skis on edge while driving that edge down. If allowed you should get a ski with a shorter turn radius. If you are very light, you should look for a softer flexing ski. I weigh 160 llbs today, and my choice for a GS ski would probably be 190 cm.
Note my reply to Bob. I am pretty sure I am heavy enough for my skis as
I remember skiing some apache recons last year and found them too soft
in the tail for firm snow. Like you say a shorter ski would be worthwhile
hence my reason for wanting to try the 177cm Volkl AC4 for the purpose
of seeing whether it would give me a better carve, then all I would need to
do is get a GS ski in 177cm to give me both carving and speed.
Given that an English stone weighs 14 lbs, I think the ski should be able to carve GS turns for you with proper technique. It sounds as if your weight was not forward enough, and you may have developed some bad habits that don't "cut it" on the race course. Think of your ski edges as knives (cause that's basically what they are) that cut the ice as you go forward, put them on edge and start cutting.

There are a few other possibilities. Did you have sharp edges? What side-edge bevel are you using? These factors make a big difference in icy conditions.

Modern skis ski shorter, but at 14 stones (196 lbs) I don't think you need to go down to 177 cm. IMHO the 188 cm should be fine. Check out Realskiers.com for some good reviews; it's well worth the 20 bucks.

Also, I've heard that non profesional courses are set with smaller radius turns than FIS courses. Why they would want to do this I have no idea:. For these type of course something like a WC SC (If very tight), or SX11 (medium radius)might allow you to carve around the gates.
I think you should be asking these questions on a European site. I doubt that you were on a real GS course. Most "civilian" racing is not set to FIS standards and what many call GS (here), is best described as GS-ish', in beer league or NASTAR racing.

In any case, you probably are not on the appropriate ski, nor do you need to be.

Do you really want to go out and spend money for that ski? It doesn't sound like it.

For civilian racing .... GS style .. at almost 200 pounds, something like a Stockli SC .... @ 177 would do it.
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 Originally Posted by Yuki For civilian racing .... GS style .. at almost 200 pounds, something like a Stockli SC .... @ 177 would do it.
Sounds like a good choice.
I am going to have to side with the votes for a civilian ski to match your civilian courses. Just about every company out there makes a retail model GS ski that has a sub-21m turn radius. Look toward those (or as Yuki suggested a more humane race carver). Stay between 175 and 185, but do not exceed 185... it will be overkill for what you're doing.
Later
GREG

### VW Head Race Series in NZ - Recreational or Competitive?

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 Originally Posted by Cassina Hi I went in my very first race 2 years ago and had no idea whether or not I would crash on the course or not so at the start I simply remembered what the instructor said to me as a day 1 beginner and that was "Relax". The second thing I remember was reading that when turning through the gate try and get your skis on edge where the brand name/symbol on the base of the ski can be seen by those watching. By just thinking about relaxing and keeping my turns looking technically good I was able to successfully descend the course. I did not win however due too my skis being too long for the course. One thing for sure I am going to be a lot more relaxed when I go in my second ski race this weekend at Mt Hutt New Zealand.
Based on this comment, I Googled ski race Mt Hutt and found the following links

www.skimasters.org.nz/

VW HEAD Race Series - Mt Hutt
Hone your race skills, enter VW HEAD Race Series, Mt Hutt in July

Mt Hutt presents the Volkswagen Head Races Series 2006
The Volkswagen Head Race Series will take place every Sunday throughout the month of July starting this Sunday. Skiers can choose to participate in a relaxed and fun recreational race with their family and friends or opt to compete at a higher level in a more competitive field.

RACE DATES:*

Date Series # Discipline Recreational Competitive
Sunday, 2nd July 2006
RACE I
Giant Slalom
start: 12pm
start: 1:30pm

Sunday, 9th July 2006
RACE II
Slalom
start: 12pm
start: 1:30pm

Sunday, 16th July 2006
RACE III
Giant Slalom
start: 12pm
start: 1:30pm

Sunday, 23rd July 2006
RACE IV
Slalom
start: 12pm
start: 1:30pm

Sunday, 30th July 2006
RACE V
Giant Slalom
start: 12pm
start: 1:30pm

What level are you racing in - recreational or competitive series? What is your handicap? In your level how many gates are they setting for GS? for SL? What are the winner's times in your level (or preferably 0 handicap time aka zero par time) for GS? for SL? How many racers are in each level?

Do you have a separate pair of SL skis or are you planning to race both GS & SL on the same skis?

If you have the chance, photo trip reports of your race experiences would be wonderful. Take pictures of both recreational & competitive series courses and get some friends to take pictures of you in the courses. This sounds like a good deal - 2 recreational level runs for \$10 New Zealand or about \$6.08 U.S.

Welcome to the Racing Forum of EpicSki. We look forward to hearing about your racing progress as the NZ ski season continues.
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Yes the Mt Hutt VW Head Race Series is the one I am intending to enter
and if I am able to achieve some good but not necessarily fast carves through the course I may consider entering the Mt Hutt Masters early next month. I am intending to enter one recreational and competitive Slalom race and one GS race in each catagory.
With the slalom race on this Sunday I will be on 155cm Volkl P60 SL
Race Skis which I am very confident I will not find too long. I may consider
using them in the GS race also in order to make a much improved turn through the gate or possibly my Volkl AC4s that I mentioned in my orginal post.
I will be going up on my own so will not be able to get photos taken also
I will not know untill Sunday how many gates there will be.

At the end of the day all I am interested in is trying out racing skis that
I have found as my favourite type of ski for everyday skiing on an actual
race course. My gut feeling tells me that a 178 cm GS Ski may be the ideal length. At least if I take my slow AC4s in 177cm on the GS Course
and am able to get a better carve than my 188cm P50F1 Energys then
I will know exacty what length in a GS Ski to buy if I want to get serious.
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 Originally Posted by Yuki I think you should be asking these questions on a European site. I doubt that you were on a real GS course. Most "civilian" racing is not set to FIS standards and what many call GS (here), is best described as GS-ish', in beer league or NASTAR racing. In any case, you probably are not on the appropriate ski, nor do you need to be. Do you really want to go out and spend money for that ski? It doesn't sound like it. For civilian racing .... GS style .. at almost 200 pounds, something like a Stockli SC .... @ 177 would do it.
Note in my last thread I mentioned a Volkl AC4 177cm which I will try on the GS race course for the purpose of evaluating a better ski length I will
post again both next week after the slalom and the week after, after the
GS Race.
Quote:
 Originally Posted by Ghost Given that an English stone weighs 14 lbs, I think the ski should be able to carve GS turns for you with proper technique. It sounds as if your weight was not forward enough, and you may have developed some bad habits that don't "cut it" on the race course. Think of your ski edges as knives (cause that's basically what they are) that cut the ice as you go forward, put them on edge and start cutting. There are a few other possibilities. Did you have sharp edges? What side-edge bevel are you using? These factors make a big difference in icy conditions. Modern skis ski shorter, but at 14 stones (196 lbs) I don't think you need to go down to 177 cm. IMHO the 188 cm should be fine. Check out Realskiers.com for some good reviews; it's well worth the 20 bucks. Also, I've heard that non profesional courses are set with smaller radius turns than FIS courses. Why they would want to do this I have no idea:. For these type of course something like a WC SC (If very tight), or SX11 (medium radius)might allow you to carve around the gates.
My edges were sharp 88 degrees but the skis were not race tuned or waxed which I agree may have had some contribution towards my skidding through the gates. I was very aware of the importance of staying on top of my skis right from the starting gate and if you know Volkl P50F1 Energy skis you will know that they let you know if you are not skiing them right so I was consistantly centered from start to finish although I did crash on after going through the finish gate on the second run possibly due to not enough runout being allowed for.

You comment regarding recreational courses having tighter radius gates
may be true as the course was skied by people aged between teens to approx 70 years and I would guess that if the gates had been closer to the fall line any falls would be harder due to the much higher speeds achieved so perhaps there was a safety reason for the gate spacing the
way it was. I was told it was a GS course though
Where you need to concentrate your efforts at this moment is on your start ..... the push off and skate to the first gate.

And, the line that you will take through the last set of gates.

Sharp edges are a must but unless the course has a series of flats, wax is sometimes academic. I would not lose too much sleep over wax.

Those two things may be enough to get you from DLBF (dead last but finished ), to a notch or two up ..

Good luck ...

### Racing

Cassina, Having a good winter?

The length ski's you are talking about is about right. It would be very premature and presumptive for me to recommend ski's because you skidded through the course. There are way too many reasons for skidding in a GS course. Usually (almost 99.9%) of the time you skid because of the engine being out of tune not the skis that may be out of tune or too long, too short etc. Racing is fun, racing is challenging, racing can be exciting and you'll meet some great people. If you are lucky you will make life long friends. I really recommend that you get involved with the local race clinics.. Even if you just Bash some gates, you'll meet people that will watch you race the courses and then can give you somes accurate advice on skis and other equipment. REMEMBER. There are a lot of good skiers that can't race but there are no good racers that aren't good skiers. Good luck. Most skidding and problems making Gates are from being Late, look ahead, head up and go for it.
sounds like your technique needs some work and shorter skis would help. Take a race lesson from a ski coach, its the only way to learn how to ski well.
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 Originally Posted by Pete No. Idaho Cassina, Having a good winter? The length ski's you are talking about is about right. It would be very premature and presumptive for me to recommend ski's because you skidded through the course. There are way too many reasons for skidding in a GS course. Usually (almost 99.9%) of the time you skid because of the engine being out of tune not the skis that may be out of tune or too long, too short etc. Racing is fun, racing is challenging, racing can be exciting and you'll meet some great people. If you are lucky you will make life long friends. I really recommend that you get involved with the local race clinics.. Even if you just Bash some gates, you'll meet people that will watch you race the courses and then can give you somes accurate advice on skis and other equipment. REMEMBER. There are a lot of good skiers that can't race but there are no good racers that aren't good skiers. Good luck. Most skidding and problems making Gates are from being Late, look ahead, head up and go for it.
It has been an excellent start to the season snow wise here in New Zealand and I have enough days up my sleeve fitness wise this season to have another go at racing. You are correct attending a race clinic would
be a good idea with regard to refining my technique however my finances
don't extend that far at the moment.
At the moment I see racing as just a side line skiing activity as there are
2 reasons why I have not pursued it seriously

(1) The amount of expensive skiing day you are loosing standing waiting for your turn etc

(2) I find that I ski best when I am soaked in sweat after some hard warmup runs and the cooling down while waiting my turn especially
my feet will always have some impairment on my performance.

I have a season ticket this year which is going to make the cost of skiing
cheaper and I may consider boot warmers to prevent my feet freezing while waiting my turn and if I meet a nice lady racer, that would be the icing on the cake. I must say that I did not find it a bad thing going in my
first race on my own as I did not have to care about impressing or worrying about what anyone would think of my skiing.

From the posts I have recieved there is obviously no black and white recommendation for ski length but I think I will put my 188cm P50s aside
for the Super G Masters Course if I still have the aspiration to go that far
after my SL & GS recreational races in the next few weeks.

### Went in Races today

The races today were both Slalom and GS and despite only having
my short Slalom skis I completed both courses successfully with no
hint of the wild skid outs through the Gates that I had on my 188cm
GS skis. Unfortunatly I did not achieve the improvement time wise
despite the shorter skis and came third to last in GS and last in Slalom
although it will be interesting to compare my GS time against the wining time today in comparison with the winning time when I had my race with
the 188cm GS Skis 2yrs ago. Regarding the Slalom race the reason why
I did not do any good there is that I was nervous negotiating the flexi
Poles tightly in case I lost my balance and crashed. I believe I could improve here by practise hiting one of these poles on its own to see what
effect it has on my balance. I must work on getting closer also when negotiating the GS Gates as well and gain confidence to get close enough to "brush" the GS gates when I pass.

At the end of the day my primary reason for racing today was to evaluate
my shorter slalom skis and as far as I am concerned they are fine for both
GS and Slalom. Of couse once I refine my technique getting a tighter line through the gates it would be interesting to see if a short GS ski would be quicker on the GS Course
Doing something a thousand times is the key. There are no "naturals" born especially in slalom.

In time, it will come. Just have fun along the way.

### Racing in NZ

CASSINA, At the beginning of racing don't worry about where you are time wise compared to others just learn, have fun and compete. A few beginner type racing tips. GS, don't charge right at the gates ski a round line and carve-you will be faster than those that charge at the gate and then skid and/or jamb the turn. Ask someone who's racing what the "rise line" is. Its really hard to explain in just words but will effect your GS racing. Look at least 1 gate ahead. When you're , i.e., coming up on a
Blue Gate with a left turn, don't be looking at this blue gate/turn be looking ahead at the next red and setting up early to make the right hand turn. Be dynamic and keep moving, being static is a no no in racing. Let us know how you progress through the season. Have fun-good luck-good racing.
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 Originally Posted by Yuki Doing something a thousand times is the key. There are no "naturals" born especially in slalom. In time, it will come. Just have fun along the way.
Thanks for the reply I looked at my GS results with my 155cm Slalom skis
compared to my 188cm GS skis and noticed a 10-12 second faster time in
comparison with the fastest skier in each of the 2 races ie I was about 20
seconds slower than the fastest skier on my 188cm GS skis.

So now I have the ski length "Sorted" as far as recreational racing goes
my next focus regarding Slalom goes, is to work on a successful decent
while flicking the flexi poles with my ski poles which I have yet to gain confidence to do.

In fact it may be worthwhile actually skiing the course slower but focussing on technique in flexing the poles in such a way I do not loose control in the process.
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 Originally Posted by Pete No. Idaho CASSINA, At the beginning of racing don't worry about where you are time wise compared to others just learn, have fun and compete. A few beginner type racing tips. GS, don't charge right at the gates ski a round line and carve-you will be faster than those that charge at the gate and then skid and/or jamb the turn. Ask someone who's racing what the "rise line" is. Its really hard to explain in just words but will effect your GS racing. Look at least 1 gate ahead. When you're , i.e., coming up on a Blue Gate with a left turn, don't be looking at this blue gate/turn be looking ahead at the next red and setting up early to make the right hand turn. Be dynamic and keep moving, being static is a no no in racing. Let us know how you progress through the season. Have fun-good luck-good racing.
Thanks for the reply and the tip of looking one gate ahead. As I said I was
just interested in seeing what effect the shorter Slalomskis felt like in comparison to my GS skis(seemy above post) One thing that your tip will
help me with is standing in the right position on my skis as while I have remained centred I have perhaps got down a little low which has led me
to only focus on one gate at a time. I have a copy of the Great North American Ski Book by I William Berry which goes into alot of detail on how
to race.I found the tips in the book very good when I was learning to ski.

I do realize there will be a limit to how far I will be able to progress without proffesional race coaching but my budget does not extend that far at the moment. You will be interested to know that when I was learning to ski I always made sure I felt like an expert before I took the lesson in order to help me feel relaxed and not nervous during the lesson
and I found I was able to put into practise and feel confident about what
I was taught the next day. This approach is what I will attempt to take
as far as any race coaching goes and my aim will be to get down the course confidently without loosing control if I clip a gate in order to achieve a faster time. When I have achieved some success here I will then have a race coaching session.

### Just to give you a sort-of empirical comparison...

...I'm 58, I've been racing Masters for 15 years, 5' 8", 175 lbs. Here's what I use:

For wide open DH, 212 Atomic Super G/DH.

For tight DH/Open Super G, 204 cm. Atomic Super G.

For tight Super G, 195 cm. Atomic Super G.

For open GS, 185 Head World Cup GS (25.7 meter sidecut).

For tight GS, 180 Atomic GS 12 (sidecut 19 meter).

For slalom, 165 Volkl SL or 161 Fischer WC slalom.
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 Originally Posted by SkiRacer55 ...I'm 58, I've been racing Masters for 15 years, 5' 8", 175 lbs. Here's what I use: For wide open DH, 212 Atomic Super G/DH. For tight DH/Open Super G, 204 cm. Atomic Super G. For tight Super G, 195 cm. Atomic Super G. For open GS, 185 Head World Cup GS (25.7 meter sidecut). For tight GS, 180 Atomic GS 12 (sidecut 19 meter). For slalom, 165 Volkl SL or 161 Fischer WC slalom.

How do you go about determining in advance unless the race course
has been catigourised in advance which ski to take up ie your tight" or
"open" course GS or Super G ski? Where I ski there is only GS/Slalom or Super G no tight or open description given. As I said in my previous posts I feel comfortable skiing my Volkl P60 SL Race 155cm in both GS and Slalom and perhaps my Volkl P50F1 ENERGY 188cm in Super G,if I get a chance. My focus now is to be able to get a much tighter line through
the gates brushing them as I descent the course without stradling.

My situation race wise reminds me of how I was when I learnt to ski and
how I did my first black run without falling,slowly but I was never able to
do it fearlessly as I do now without a lot of falls in the middle period between then and now. I am very confident at speed on race skis but am
a newbie on an actual race course. Once I do get confident negotiating the gates on the skis I have I would imagine gut feeling will tell me when
it is time to go to a longer length for further technique refinement
Do you go through a thourough inspection each time?
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 Originally Posted by Cassina Thanks for the reply How do you go about determining in advance unless the race course has been catigourised in advance which ski to take up ie your tight" or "open" course GS or Super G ski? Where I ski there is only GS/Slalom or Super G no tight or open description given.
Cassina,

Here's what many racers do:

During course inspection time, slip the course on your everyday skis, paying very close attention to the timing and offset of the gates. On courses where the gates are set far across the hill or closer vertically you'll probably want a longer slalom or "cross" ski for the race. On courses where there is lots of vertical spacing between the gates or they're set closer to the fall line, you'll want a recreational GS ski.

IMHO, given your stats you're definitely going to be held back by using a 155 cm slalom ski on a GS course. While it may feel fast and you're probably carving cleaner turns on them than with your older, longer skis, they will suffer from a lack of stability between the gates. Most people I know, except the very strongest racers, use a 170-185 cm GS ski (typically at your weight; 165 slalom, 180-185 GS).

Just my \$.02 worth.
Welcome to the speed freaks club, and GOOD LUCK!!!

### Our Rocky Mountain Masters venues...

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 Originally Posted by Cassina Thanks for the reply How do you go about determining in advance unless the race course has been catigourised in advance which ski to take up ie your tight" or "open" course GS or Super G ski? Where I ski there is only GS/Slalom or Super G no tight or open description given. As I said in my previous posts I feel comfortable skiing my Volkl P60 SL Race 155cm in both GS and Slalom and perhaps my Volkl P50F1 ENERGY 188cm in Super G,if I get a chance. My focus now is to be able to get a much tighter line through the gates brushing them as I descent the course without stradling. My situation race wise reminds me of how I was when I learnt to ski and how I did my first black run without falling,slowly but I was never able to do it fearlessly as I do now without a lot of falls in the middle period between then and now. I am very confident at speed on race skis but am a newbie on an actual race course. Once I do get confident negotiating the gates on the skis I have I would imagine gut feeling will tell me when it is time to go to a longer length for further technique refinement

....don't change that much, so I know that my 204 Super Gs are the right skis for Ski Cooper but I'm gonna use my 212s at Keystone, and so forth. I think you have a pretty major learning curve coming up re technique and tactics, but I think you're gonna have problems with a 155 sl in GS courses. Something like a 178 or 180 with a 19-meter sidecut would be ideal...
There are a lot of things to consider in the selection of the proper ski. What kind of conditions and grooming are you racing under?

Is the course "ice"? If it is soft, are there crew to plow and rake so the heavy ruts don't develop.

One of my big worries is that those long P-10's you have will become a real wrestling match on an icy and rutted course.

A race stock ski, skiied slightly short .... you wont get the chatters and "spit on a griddle" jumping that you may get on many "civilian" race skis.

I'm 165 pounds and love my (older mens) 156 race stock (Stockli), but at around the 200 mark you may over power them.

You never did state your ability though so ... ?
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 Originally Posted by volklgirl Cassina, Here's what many racers do: During course inspection time, slip the course on your everyday skis, paying very close attention to the timing and offset of the gates. On courses where the gates are set far across the hill or closer vertically you'll probably want a longer slalom or "cross" ski for the race. On courses where there is lots of vertical spacing between the gates or they're set closer to the fall line, you'll want a recreational GS ski. IMHO, given your stats you're definitely going to be held back by using a 155 cm slalom ski on a GS course. While it may feel fast and you're probably carving cleaner turns on them than with your older, longer skis, they will suffer from a lack of stability between the gates. Most people I know, except the very strongest racers, use a 170-185 cm GS ski (typically at your weight; 165 slalom, 180-185 GS). Just my \$.02 worth. Welcome to the speed freaks club, and GOOD LUCK!!!
Thanks for the advise on how to "Read" course layout. I agree my slalom
155cm skis are probably too short for serious GS. I did find them plenty
stable enough between gates for my current entry level ability in to racing.
At the moment I am skiing about 20 seconds slower down the mountain
than the fastest skier. My aim this season is to try to get that time halfed
and once I have achieved that I will then look at a more refined length in
skis next season. Being able to ski down looking 2 gates ahead without crashing is my next focus as a previous post has suggested.
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 Originally Posted by Yuki There are a lot of things to consider in the selection of the proper ski. What kind of conditions and grooming are you racing under? Is the course "ice"? If it is soft, are there crew to plow and rake so the heavy ruts don't develop. One of my big worries is that those long P-10's you have will become a real wrestling match on an icy and rutted course. A race stock ski, skiied slightly short .... you wont get the chatters and "spit on a griddle" jumping that you may get on many "civilian" race skis. I'm 165 pounds and love my (older mens) 156 race stock (Stockli), but at around the 200 mark you may over power them. You never did state your ability though so ... ?
I have been skiing on GS race skis for 14 years and I purchased them due
to the stability and edge hold they offer on the far more icy than powder
snow conditions prevalent on my local mountain. I consider myself to be
an expert on race skis but a beginner racer if that makes any sense and yes my skis do let me know when I am not skiing them right hence with the 3 races I have been in I have always done some high speed warmup
runs to ensure I am centred for the start of the race. I still love my VolKl
P10s for general skiing but the newer 155cm P60 SL Race skis I have taken in my last 2 races are just fine for my current ability in both Slalom
and GS. I would perhaps try my 188cm P50F1 Energys on a Super G course if I get a chance.
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