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Are Volkls 1 and 2

post #1 of 27
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Other posts about atomics being 1 and 3 on the sides make me wonder how ignorant I really am. Are Volkls 1 and 2? Like I've been doing?
post #2 of 27
OK.... I wish I could make this a sticky...

I DON'T CARE WHAT BEVELS COMPANIES SAY THAT THEIR SKIS COME WITH. IT RARELY IS ACTUALLY WHAT THEY SAY. YES, ATOMIC RECOMMENDS 1/3. DO THEY COME FROM THE FACTORY THAT WAY? MAYBE, MAYBE NOT. THERE IS SIMPLY TOO MUCH VARIANCE IN MASS PRODUCED SKIS TO SAY FOR SURE. IF YOU REALLY CARE ABOUT YOUR BEVELS, YOU WILL HAVE TO SET THEM YOURSELF OR HAVE A GOOD SKI TUNER DO IT.

AS FOR WHAT ANGLES ARE BEST.... ALL SKIS MADE TODAY WORK VERY WELL WITH A ONE DEGREE BASE BEVEL AND A THREE DEGREE SIDE BEVEL.

THANK YOU.

I'm sick of this conversation....:

P.S. - sorry samurai... no offense meant to you in particular
post #3 of 27
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Originally Posted by samurai
Other posts about atomics being 1 and 3 on the sides make me wonder how ignorant I really am. Are Volkls 1 and 2? Like I've been doing?
Volkls are set by the factory at 1 and 2.
There are posts about this you can find if you search using the Google search in the forum.

Many reset their skis to a personal preferance .
Read the threads on this here and you will learn a lot. This is one of the most covered questions here

Say hi to Japan for me. Can you ski anywhere there in the summer?

Welcome to Epicski
post #4 of 27
tapping microphone.... "Is this thing on???"
post #5 of 27
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Originally Posted by U.P. Racer
tapping microphone.... "Is this thing on???"
No it's a dead horse they are beating!
post #6 of 27
Yep, someone got a sticky?
Slap one on this thread
post #7 of 27
Thread Starter 
I just joined this forum yesterday. Sorry, i don't know what a sticky is and I'm sorry for beating a dead horse. if you are really bored of the conversation, then don't reply. But I do appreciate hearing what other techies are doing with their edges on today's boards. here in japan, I don't have much of a tech-dialogue going on.

And to respond to another question about skiing in japan in the summer, I do have chair access until late july and hiking until late august up in Yamagata and those aren't the high alps.

If you are curious, or have heard rumors, japan is truly an untapped world of pow. Not a sick rock garden like the western states, but defintely a pow heaven, and insanely cold at times. Frost bite is real. bottomless snow is real. Skiing bamboo trees is rad. The alps down in Hakuba outside Nagano offer five-thousand vertical foot peaks of very ridiculous lines if you like the backcountry and have the skills to navigate avalanche death gullies.
The resorts are strictly an on-piste only policy. ducking ropes is the only access to chair-accessed pow, but that doesn't necessarily result in the loss of a pass- they just ask you politely to stop. I do it often, but also have the avy-savvy to know my routes. Avalanche control is non-existant. Patrol does not bomb. Very few resorts actually have any snow science going on at all. So if you do chase pow here, know your stuff or you'll get burried and no one will know what to do. I ski inbounds pow lines in japan the way I ski backcountry, safety first. On-piste is endless, I think there is something like six hundred resorts in this country. Many of them are very small. One by my home doesn't even have a parking lot. Just access by local train. Then- only one steep chair for five hundred vert. Fun trees though, and I'm always alone. the down fall, getting here, staying here and vacationing here is expensive. but I promise you'll score the friendliest people of any resort you've ever visited and heated parking lots make for nice walks from the car. beautiful women too.
post #8 of 27
A sticky is when a forum posts an answer to a much posed question to help you find your answers easier.
You asked a valid question .
Take no offense . You are indeed welcome

Japan sounds like it has some really nice places to ski.
Obviously because it has plenty of mountainous terrain.

Thanks, If you have any pictures maybe you could write a report and/or add pictures . I would love to see it and hear more
post #9 of 27
You did post a valid question. Like I said.... no offense meant. I have had Volkls since '88. Some come with good tunes, some not as good. My pair this season was almost dead on 1 degree base. The season before, they were a heavy 2... bordering on 3. I had to get those ground flat before I ever skied on them. My buddy's Salomons from last season were all over the map. Depending where on the ski you measured them, they could have been alot of different bevels

My main point is:
1. Don't assume that skis come from the factory with any specific bevels. Even if the factory or a rep or a ski shop claims that they do.

2. ALL skis work well with a 1 and 3 bevel. If you prefer something different than that, you already know what bevels you want, and you aren't asking tuning advice on the internet.

Again, sorry if I sounded harsh... Welcome to Epic.
post #10 of 27
Volkls aren't 1 and 2... they are terrible (for you U.P.)

ANYHOW, if someone wants to write up a sticky I will add it to the tuning FAQ . Just make sure it sounds professional and is written by someone with industry knowledge and expereince. PM it to me first and I will put it in or unlock the tuning FAQ thread.

Later

GREG
post #11 of 27
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Originally Posted by HeluvaSkier
Volkls aren't 1 and 2... they are terrible (for you U.P.)

ANYHOW, if someone wants to write up a sticky I will add it to the tuning FAQ . Just make sure it sounds professional and is written by someone with industry knowledge and expereince. PM it to me first and I will put it in or unlock the tuning FAQ thread.

Later

GREG
I guess i should have said their intended angles are 1 and 2.
Reality is often varied
post #12 of 27
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Originally Posted by samurai
...

And to respond to another question about skiing in japan in the summer, I do have chair access until late july and hiking until late august up in Yamagata and those aren't the high alps.

...
Welcome, samurai.

I *am* curious. I've read (on Epic, as a matter of fact) that there are resorts in Japan that average over 700" of snow per year. Truth or hype? Can you tell me anything about average moisture content of that snow? Is it Utah-type dry powder or more like West-coast heavier stuff or what?

Also...

I've been curious as can be for years about skiing Mt. Fuji. Is it done? Is it not done because the mountain is considered sacred? Are there other volcano cones with year-round snow?

I know this belongs on the Resort forum, but what the heck.

Thanks in advance.
post #13 of 27
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Bob Peters
Welcome, samurai.

I *am* curious. I've read (on Epic, as a matter of fact) that there are resorts in Japan that average over 700" of snow per year. Truth or hype? Can you tell me anything about average moisture content of that snow? Is it Utah-type dry powder or more like West-coast heavier stuff or what?

Also...

I've been curious as can be for years about skiing Mt. Fuji. Is it done? Is it not done because the mountain is considered sacred? Are there other volcano cones with year-round snow?

I know this belongs on the Resort forum, but what the heck.

Thanks in advance.

I'll post a japan report in the resort and travel forum. You're not the first to ask questions.
post #14 of 27
And, samurai, -please- post bamboo tree skiing pictures. Thank you.
post #15 of 27
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Originally Posted by comprex
And, samurai, -please- post bamboo tree skiing pictures. Thank you.
Doesn't that sound awesome ?
Skiing through bamboo trees. ?
Someday I gotta do this.
post #16 of 27
Thread Starter 
I don't have any shots from bamboo trees. Sorry. But you will like what you see if i can figure out how to attach them before I have to go to work.
post #17 of 27
In a world of powder .... three sounds academic .... great for ice ... but on powder ... who would care?

post #18 of 27
Thread Starter 
toochet. (I have no idea how to spell toochet.) I
post #19 of 27
Touché. Literally, "touched" in french.
post #20 of 27


1 and 3. End of story.
post #21 of 27
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Originally Posted by HeluvaSkier
Volkls aren't 1 and 2... they are terrible (for you U.P.)

ANYHOW, if someone wants to write up a sticky I will add it to the tuning FAQ . Just make sure it sounds professional and is written by someone with industry knowledge and expereince. PM it to me first and I will put it in or unlock the tuning FAQ thread.

Later

GREG
It would seem to me this is common knowledge and wriiten by many sources.
Most of them by the manufacturers themselves and could easily be compiled by someone who can read.
I would think as long as it is accurate , industry experience would not be necessary.
post #22 of 27
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Originally Posted by doublediamond223


1 and 3. End of story.
I will second the motion . I am thinking Atomicman might agree also.

Powder skis? Not necessary to change to 3 degree side bevel.

Any skiing on hard surfaces would benefit from adding angle to a three degree side bevel.
post #23 of 27
If Mike Desantis/skidoc would write it (former product manager and WC tech for volkl), then that should suffice. He has already stated here and elsewhere that 1/3 is the best.
post #24 of 27
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Originally Posted by doublediamond223
If Mike Desantis/skidoc would write it (former product manager and WC tech for volkl), then that should suffice. He has already stated here and elsewhere that 1/3 is the best.
Yes!
post #25 of 27
Bamboo isn't a 'tree' it's a grass type. Maybe we could get a dendrologist while were looking for that 'industry expert'.
post #26 of 27
Thread Starter 
Sorry. I've never called something taller than me grass. Nor have I ever heard anyone refer to it as grass. Had no idea.
post #27 of 27
It is a grass but it is still a tree and a patch of them makes a forest.
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