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(not so) Great Debate#3 - Putting on leashes

post #1 of 14
Thread Starter 
Another recommendation from the book is to attach your leash before you attach your feet to the board. I know that for some step in systems with short "clip to your shoelace" leashes that this can be quite hard to do. I almost always get in first then clip. This is such not a big deal that I can't even remember how most people do it. What do you do?

Putting your leash on first seems like the common sense safe way to do it, but putting in on last seems like the most practical method. Come on, the board is not going to run away when you are putting it on is it?
post #2 of 14
I have to put the leash last -- not only after putting my foot in the binding, but also after ratcheting down the straps. Otherwise, if I attach the leash first, it gets in the way of the straps. It's more important that I get the straps comfortable first, then attach the leash to whatever shoelace is available, than try to ratchet down the straps while not catching the metal part of the leash under the strap.
post #3 of 14
Thread Starter 
I'm thinking this advice came from someone who uses the around the calf type leash.
post #4 of 14
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Originally Posted by therusty
I'm thinking this advice came from someone who uses the around the calf type leash.
It has to be. There's no way I'm willing to go through the hassle of clipping my (short) leash to my boot before strapping the binding down.

Then again, I only use my leash when teaching upper level lessons...the rest of the time, it's just a passenger looped & clipped to the binding.
post #5 of 14
leash...whats that?

but seriously. What good is a leash. If you get in wreck hard enough to rip out of your bindings, the leash will fail as well. If you rip the bidings out of the board...they will be securely leashed to your boot, and the board will still run away. Thus...the only purpose for a leash is to prevent you from loosing the board while strapping in. now. when you consider that you ride the lift with a foot in the board, the front foot...there should never be a need to take it out of the binding. if you are going to hike, you are going to carry your board anyway.

The leash is little more than a remnant of the days of the Burton backhill, where there was no positive interface for the boot and board, and a loss of contact meant a runaway board.

It is true that you rarely see a runaway ski, and that runaway boards are fairly common, but the use of a leash probably only prevents 1%, if that, of runaway boards...

So to answer your question...I attach my leash at the beginning of the season to a belt loop, and keep it there unless forced to use it by patrol or a liftie. I also promptly remove it when they are out of site...

-NBC
post #6 of 14
Leashes are the stupiedest idea for snowboards that I have ever seen. The only reason they exist is because someone was comparing snowboarding to the skier paradigm of the day. Since skiers either had to have brakes or a leash on the ski's to stop them if the binding releases, snowboarding needed that too. Except that snowboard bindings don't release and if they do it's because they ripped off the board along with what the leash was attached to. I have a leash on my resort board clipped to the binding. I haven't had to use it in years. My splitboard does not have a leash on it, nor does it need one.
It's as about as useful as a recco reflector for an avalanche rescue...
post #7 of 14
Thread Starter 

Dog Leash

I liked the way the book treated this subject - saying that most resorts require them and then simply explaining how to use them. Although I agree a snowboard leash is pretty much useless, I have seen occasions where feet have come out of a binding while the binding remains attached to the board (e.g. ratchets freeze/wear, straps break or step ins have snow underfoot). If this were to happen riding a lift, a leash would prevent a hazardous situation. Of course, we don't need to worry about these kinds of things because they only happen to other people.

Rereading the step in binding section, it describes a 3 step process for getting in the binding where the LAST step is securing the leash. It is not until the next chapter where it says "attach the leash first".
post #8 of 14
I could actually condone leash use for stepin users...places where there is a greater chance of a mechanical fialure...

of course...I don't condone step in use (sorry rusty...)
post #9 of 14
Thread Starter 
Dear Sir,

Now that's just hitting below the knee (pun intended).

When I started riding, my bad back was so stiff it took me 5 minutes to get my back foot strapped in and I was exhausted from the effort. Step ins allowed me to learn to ride.

Alas, this debate is about attaching leashes and I think it's been milked dry.
post #10 of 14
Rusty...no need to defend yourself...I too used step in's for a while...Rossi system in 98-99, and really have nothing against them performance wise. however, the lack of a standardized "best" system prompted me to go elsewhere. Conceptually, I do still like the idea. I loved teaching, and getting off of the lift last, and being ready to go first. but not being able to try other bindings limited that system.

I currently have some Catek Freeried pro's that offer more performance wise than the step in's offer ease wise. The step ins were instrumental in my learning to ride, but onxce fully comfortable with the board on my feet etc, the higher performance from some of the high end strap bindings made a difference. Ultimately I don't think the industry is behind the step in, or it would be much further evolved. also, the highest performing bindings would have SI tech, instead of straps.

But back to leashes. can anyone present some other solid arguments to use them? the lift is good, but other than that I am lost...
post #11 of 14
Thread Starter 
Dear SirMack,



That was what I liked about the book. It said, because they are required at most resorts, here's how to use them. Unless, you are worried about setting an example (e.g. pros should follow the responsibility code) or the miniscule chance of a lift problem or a double eject while riding, then the ONLY reason to use a leash is because a resort requires it for you to ride the lifts. It seems that a few resorts no longer require leashes. My resort does not, but our snowboard school does.

In one way it's funny because I usually see an equal number of runaway boards and skis every year. When I've been on the scene, ski runaways are caused by brakes sticking in the up position after a fall and release and board runaways are caused by taking off the board on the slopes and not keeping it secure while doing other non-riding activities (e.g. walking down the slopes, helping another person, sulking).
post #12 of 14
Put on the leash any time and way you want. I clip my short leash before I before I fasten my upper strap on my forefoot. I put on my bindings standing up, alpine board style - saves me from getting a wet rear. Same when I get off at the top for my rear foot.
post #13 of 14
I always use the calf type leash but I agree that it's useless for snowboards.

Calf type leashes, when looped to the other binding, make great carry straps.
post #14 of 14
Leashes are useless. Extra weight and hassle. My bindings are my retention device.
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