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What ski's to get?

post #1 of 15
Thread Starter 
Hey guys.

I'm 18 years old and have been skiing for 5 years. I spend approximately 50% of my time on piste. 35% off piste, and 15% of my time in the parks. I'm 188cm(6 foot 2 inches) tall and weigh 80kg(175 pounds). I am a strong skiier (din set to 9) and will be skiing a lot more next year.

I have a pair of '04 K2 Public Enemies (169cm's) and have found them to be a fantastic ski in alot of areas. Their biggest downfall is that they dont hold an edge as well as i'd like in icy conditions, or at high speeds.

I demoed a pair of volkl supersport 5*'s last year and found that they were a fantastic ski, cutting through crud, and holding an edge on ice with ease, but were to thin under foot to be an effect off piste ski.

I'm looking for 1 ski that can hold up well on and off piste, as well as a bit of time in the park. I ski fakie a fair bit now, and because of this my next ski's will be all mountain twin tips.

I have been looking at Volkl Karma's and Volkl AC4's and have been tossing up between the 2. How would the AC4's hold up in the park, and how do the Karma's handle on piste runs.

If anyone can suggest other ski's that might suit me it would be much appreciated(I'm looking for something with a waiste between 80 and 90mm), and some advice about whether the Karma's or the AC4's would suit me better wouldn't go astray either.

Thanks.
post #2 of 15
The ac4 is not a park ski as it doesn't have a twin tip. I have some scott p3s which I think should hold up pretty well and they have a pretty short radius for a longer length (178 16m radius). Perhaps you could try a longer PE, that would certainly give you more stability at speed. I think you would be better off with something in a 175-180 length especially if you are aggressive.
post #3 of 15
There have been several outstanding reviews that address your question. Without a doubt, the Karma is a strong contender for you, and right now there are still decent deals on the 05-06 model. Anyway, time to start reading:

Volkl Karma Review 1
a bunch of 2007 Midfat by Dawgcatching
Atomic M:EX vs. Volkl Karma vs. Head iM88 vs. Head Mojo 90
Review of Volkl Karma as an All Mountain Ski

Search through the ski revews you will find exactly what you are looking for.
post #4 of 15
You should seriously consider keeping the PEs after you buy a new pair unless they're completely trashed after 2 seasons of use (my 04-05s are getting there, but that's from 50+ days on them each season and heavy use in trees and on cliff bands). Used skis definitely dont command much cash value at second hand sports shops and PE is a fantastic ski rivaling the Karma for its performance range. Should you keep them I'd suggest not buying something made for the same type of use, ie an AC4 or Karma. If your main area of concern is hard snow and ice, I'd look at high performance carvers like the Fisher RX8 and 9 and the Volkl Supersport/6*.

Ifyou are looking to completely replace the PEs with another mid-80mm twin, the Karma and the PE will be your best bets. The Karma may perform slightly better on harder snow than your current PEs do, but it's not going to bemuch of a difference.
post #5 of 15
Have you considered a a pair of Stockli's?

ALL their skis are made like factory race skis, wooden sandwich and traditional straight sidewalls.

There are a Four skis that would suit you, the Rotor, Snake, Snake BC and Stromrider DP TT (Twin Tip).

You can get a look at some (but not all) of the above here

http://www.ski-review.com/content/view/200/34/

I skied the DPs last season, they are 95mm underfoot and are an excellent ski, even on hard snow - obviously they don't grip like a race ski but are still the best fat ski I have used on piste by miles. Because the skis are made traditionally, by hand, they are tortionally really stiff, which you don't usually get in a fat ski.

I would recomend the DPs to you, we are the same height and weight and I found them to be the best skis I have owned. I skied them in Engelberg and Andermatt last season in deep pow, spring snow and wind blown cement without loss of edge - no matter how steep.

One thing to note, the DP twin tip is new for next season and there is not much info on them yet, they look good though!
post #6 of 15
Volkl Karma - 185cm should be what you are looking for in good hardpack grip between 80-90mm in a full twin
post #7 of 15
having said theres not much info on the new stocklis...

http://www.ski-depot.com/miva/mercha...roduct_Count=2
post #8 of 15
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Originally Posted by Takecontrol618
You should seriously consider keeping the PEs after you buy a new pair unless they're completely trashed after 2 seasons of use (my 04-05s are getting there, but that's from 50+ days on them each season and heavy use in trees and on cliff bands). Used skis definitely dont command much cash value at second hand sports shops and PE is a fantastic ski rivaling the Karma for its performance range.
But I think that the 04-05 was 5 mm smaller in dimensions than the 05-06 (meaning 80 mm waist), which would take away from powder performance, which is what he wants.
post #9 of 15
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Originally Posted by 3eyedsmiley
But I think that the 04-05 was 5 mm smaller in dimensions than the 05-06 (meaning 80 mm waist), which would take away from powder performance, which is what he wants.

He said that his only qualm with their performance was on hard snow. Not powder/off-piste.
post #10 of 15
Thread Starter 
i got my ski's in Australia in 04 so they would be your 03/04 model(we are 6 months behind the rest of the world in everything). they are roughly the same size as the 06 (05/06) ones which i demoed last week.

I Skiied in japan in january and my PE's held up pretty well in the powder. I could only expect something to handle better if it was a mega fat ski, which i wont be able to use in australia so i need to find a compromise that can go in deep powder for 2 weeks and then go on slush and ice for my other 3 or 4 weeks of skiing a year.

The top 3 ski's im considering now are the Head Mojo 90's, the Volkl Karma's, or the Stockli Snake. If anything stands out as thw right/wrong choice for me let me know.
post #11 of 15
Quote:
Originally Posted by Takecontrol618
He said that his only qualm with their performance was on hard snow. Not powder/off-piste.
That's probably because he's too big for his skis (at least IMO) 169 for 6'2'' and 175 pounds, skiing aggresively won't hold up, especially if the PE skis shorter b/c of the twin. Also then if it's 5 mm less on dimensions it wouldn't really be rivalling the Karma directly.

Anyways all three of those are good choices. The Snake might be harder to find, but I saw some around for $350 on Seattle craigslist like a couple months ago. But they are generally more expensive/harder to find/less reviewed.

Mojo's and Karma's are both pretty good choices, but aren't really made for the park as much. They are made to do well in AM moreso than park. While they could do well in the park, they wouldn't be as ideal as some other ones.
post #12 of 15
Quote:
Originally Posted by 3eyedsmiley
That's probably because he's too big for his skis (at least IMO) 169 for 6'2'' and 175 pounds, skiing aggresively won't hold up, especially if the PE skis shorter b/c of the twin. Also then if it's 5 mm less on dimensions it wouldn't really be rivalling the Karma directly.

Anyways all three of those are good choices. The Snake might be harder to find, but I saw some around for $350 on Seattle craigslist like a couple months ago. But they are generally more expensive/harder to find/less reviewed.

Mojo's and Karma's are both pretty good choices, but aren't really made for the park as much. They are made to do well in AM moreso than park. While they could do well in the park, they wouldn't be as ideal as some other ones.
Skis within 5mm of each other can be comfortably put in the same category, unless they have radically different geometry. The Mojo is another good suggestion, though.
post #13 of 15
if you liked the 2004 k2 pe's, (which i own) and you just need some new ones, it would be worth it to look at the 06 public enemies, which i think are a little wider under foot, but not by much, so if you liked the old ones i think itd be worth a demo
post #14 of 15
186 MOJO 90 for all-mountain.
post #15 of 15
Thread Starter 
Hey guys...
Just wanted to thank you for the advice about ski's. I've decided to get some 2nd hand Volkl 5 stars off a friend and then look for some of last years PE's for park and off piste. If anyone can recomend a good boot fitter in Sydney that would be great, but i'm sure ill be able to find one even if you cant.

Enjoy your summer.
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