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2006 Tour de France - Page 6

post #151 of 304
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Originally Posted by jstraw
I don't know the rules.
http://www.uci.ch/imgArchive/Rules/1gene-E.pdf
page 62:
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GENERAL ORGANISATION OF CYCLING AS A SPORT 60 E0106
1.3.023 For road time trial competitions and for the following track competitions: individual and team pursuit,
kilometre and 500 m, an extension may be added to the steering system. The distance
between the vertical line passing through the bottom bracket axle and the extremity of the handlebar
may not exceed 75 cm, with the other limits set in article 1.3.022 (B,C,D) remaining
unchanged. A support for the elbows or forearms is permitted (see diagram «Structure (1B)»).
For road time trial competitions, controls or levers fixed to the handlebar extension may extend
beyond the 75 cm limit as long as they do not constitute a change of use, particularly that of providing
an alternative hand position beyond the 75 cm mark.

For the track and road competitions covered by the first paragraph, the distance of 75 cm may be
increased to 80 cm to the extent that this is required for morphological reasons; «morphological reasons
» should be taken as meaning anything regarding the size or length of the rider's body parts. A
rider who, for this reason, considers that he needs to make use of a distance between 75 and 80
cm must inform the commissaires' panel at the moment that he presents his licence. In such cases
the commissaires' panel may carry out the following test: ensuring that the angle between the forearm
and upper arm does not exceed 120° when the rider is in a racing position.
And here is how that came about:
http://www.wolfgang-menn.de/superpos.htm
post #152 of 304
Quote:
Originally Posted by jstraw
On that subject, Brunyeel seems very perplexed by the timing of Landis' announcment. I don't see it as strange. I figure that a decision was made to get out in front of percolating rumors and control the story. There might have been reasons why his Phonak teammates had to know what was going on and once that happens, controlling the release of the information in preferable to trying to manage leaks. All you need is one soigneur that want's to show off how in the know he is.
I listened to that Brunyeel interview on Velonews. He was definitely a bit confused.

I also wonder if it's strategy on Landis' part. If the GC contenders feel he's vulnerable, they may start attacking sooner and burn out early. Maybe he thinks Brunyeel will send George out hard now, knowing that if George goes hard the next few days, Floyd will be able to wipe the floor with him when they get into the big mountains. ?????

Or maybe, like Ryan thought, rumors were starting to float around, so he nipped it in the bud. Or maybe he was sick of walking around like he has a stick up his arse, and he just wants to limp like any other hobbled person, and doesn't want to have to give 1000 interview and have speculation about his conditon. Who knows...:
post #153 of 304
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by comprex
Ah, so nothing in the rules says Floyd's hands cannot be up in front of his face. So then...wtf?
post #154 of 304
I'd look for either a "change of use" argument or something about that 120 degree max angle.
post #155 of 304

either way...

what b.s.
post #156 of 304
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by comprex
I'd look for either a "change of use" argument or something about that 120 degree max angle.
I actually had to go look at something that was at 120 degrees. I doubt his bars were steeper than 140.
post #157 of 304
Hey ryan, share?
post #158 of 304
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My god, that's like the dumbest editorial ever.
post #159 of 304
i wonder if it was supposed to be funny?

as for the times article he referred to ("...and an L.A. Times front-page investigation on Sunday strongly implied that Lance Armstrong was doping...") that just happened to be featured on the sunday cover as the tour kicked off, more b.s.

i realize i'm doing what i had asked not be done; namely, bring that to this thread, but:

"strongly implied?" wtf is that? there are and have been plenty of strong implications regarding lance armstrong, and now because the wife of a former teammate WIFE OF A FORMER TEAMMATE in case that got missed is standing by her sworn testimony that she overheard something.

stop the presses. she overheard something and she swears it.

therefore? wtf?

it's obvious there are plenty of people who'd love to bring the man down. probably he's stepped on some toes and ruffled some feathers or maybe even kept a rider in his place who thought his place was somewhere else.

i don't know. he keeps coming up clean, he's been tested a zillion times. this is old news, and i suspect it takes a lot of out of the man to battle the belittlers.

when you actually HAVE SOMETHING, something like what the spanish police had when they cleaned this tour a bit, then bring it. otherwise, go away.

cheap, cheap, cheap of the Times. appropriate that the pic they ran with the article had lance in yellow, because that color fits the so-called journalism they threw at it.

boo. hissssssssssssss.

meanwhile, the mountains.
post #160 of 304
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Originally Posted by ryan
the mountains.
Yeah. : : :

Too bad we have to drop this thread 'til tonight when it can't spoil anyone's watching.
post #161 of 304

Spoiler

BODE MILLER WINS STAGE!!!!

Uncle Vlad takes second riding a schwinn (but with raleigh badging).
post #162 of 304
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by comprex
Yeah. : : :

Too bad we have to drop this thread 'til tonight when it can't spoil anyone's watching.
I'm swearing off this thread for the rest of the day so that people CAN post spoilers. I believe the onus is on people to assume there will be spoikers and to avoid them if they wish...not to make people that want to discuss the stage to hold back.
post #163 of 304
Quote:
Originally Posted by ryan
Uncle Vlad takes second riding a schwinn (but with raleigh badging).
Not as crazy as you might think....

http://www.teamroadmeister.com/
post #164 of 304
cool.

and i noticed the countdown to the Texas Time Trial championships, in houston. hmmmm, i'm gonna be in austin. hmmmm.

http://www.southernelite.org/STATETT/State_TT.htm
post #165 of 304
Today they rode through the region of that nasty Basque wine Irouleguy.

Tonight's meal

Roasted Chicken Irouleguy

Simmer a cup and a half Irouleguy (dark red Basque wine) with a half a cup of minced shallots until all the liquid is gone. Blend what remains with a cup of soft butter. But the mix into the refrigerator for an hour.

Use about half the mix under and on top of the skin of a chicken. Mix the rest with day-old bread cubes, and stuff the chicken.

Roast the chicken at 400 for 20 minutes, add a cup of water, and continue roasting until done.

My chicken is sitting in the refrigerator, ready to go. The remaining portion of the bottle of Irouleguy is probably as much of that stuff as the two of us could drink at one sitting. I'm thinking of white Bordeau to start.
post #166 of 304
Which reminds me of.

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Perhaps you can explain whether the explosion in my oven was due to an inherently hazardous recipe or a faulty oven. I have this wonderful cookbook and had successfully tried numerous recipes from it. Then I tried a pot roast recipe, which called for 4 cups of dry white wine and various seasonings (no other liquid).

The recipe directed that I brown the meat, then add the 4 cups of wine and bring to a simmer, then cover and bake in a 400-degree oven for two hours. Well, after about 15 minutes of roasting, I went to check on the roast. The second I opened the oven door, there was a bright flash of light followed by a loud bang. I shut the door and turned off the oven. Later, I noticed my arm was covered in ashes; the hair on one arm had been singed off!
Practice safe Basque basting!


(A2R has 8 men, one of whom is Christophe Moreau, can they control the pace better than Tmob did today with 7?)
post #167 of 304
I figured I'd check this in the morning, before anything had a chance to happen on today's stage, for fear of seeing spoilers. It's good to see that noone posted any spoilers yesterday. Maybe we can keep this thread spoiler-free, so that we can talk about the TDF without worrying about having it ruined for us. I did watch the first half hour of today's stage before I came to work, but I ain't saying anything.... Would you like some Mayo on that sandwich? (not a spoiler, I promise! They just had the camera on him a lot)

I looked at the recording of Landis' TT bike on top of the team car again. It WAS just the funky headset design of the bike, and no, it was not broken off. I'm still annoyed they never talked about this.

I tried to post to Velonews to ask, and maybe to get their correspondant on the scene to ask Floyd or someone at Phonak, but I had to register. They were supposed to send me a password so that I could log in (BTW, I hate that design for web forums), but I never got it. I tried to get them to send it again, but still no password. So I couldn't post. Maybe I typed my email address wrong, but I doubt it.

Weird stage yesterday. It was like they were so scared of today's stage that noone wanted to put out any real effort. I remember seeing the heart rate of one of the guys in the peleton, and it was something like 85 BPM. For most Americans, that's a resting heart rate. Obviously, he wasn't straining himself too hard.

The layout of today's stage is weird, with the Tourmalet first, then 4 cat 1 climbs, and 2k of flat to the finish. My guess is that through the first 3 mountains, no one that matters will really try to get away. But I hope that Floyd, George or one of the other contenders goes for it. I'd hate to see today's stage be boring. There's too much opportunity for something big to happen.

I'm not feeling overly confident about Disco. Especially on a stage like todays. When Lance was there, and they had an obvious leader, they could have people drag him over the first 3 or 4 mountains, then let him go crazy by himself on the last climb. But without a leader, they won't sacrafice themselves to pull somone else over the climbs. They'll pretty much be battling within the team, and it'll look like last year's T-Mobile fiasco. So unless they were bluffing, and they do have a leader, I think this strategy (or lack thereof) is going to come back to haunt Johan, and my admiration of his abilities will be seriously deminished. He did fine with a Lance on the team (who wouldn't?), but when it comes down to making a "normal" team work, he may not be able to live up to the hype.
post #168 of 304

11

brutal.

some nice commentary on cyclingtv, btw.
post #169 of 304
Thread Starter 
That was an AWESOME stage!
post #170 of 304
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ryan
brutal.

some nice commentary on cyclingtv, btw.
What is cyclingtv?
post #171 of 304
Quote:
Originally Posted by jstraw
What is cyclingtv?
DO NOT FOLLOW THESE INSTRUCTIONS UNLESS YOU'RE PREPARED TO SEE CURRENT STANDINGS

the circuitous route:

click here: http://eljapolak.nl/pivot/tour.php

then, under the category Live Tour de France, (under "Languages" with the flags) click on the Narrowstep Cyclin Live link. I didn't get the names of the two or three guys who were commenting on the race as it went. The host didn't seem to know much about bicycle racing but didn't really get in the way.

getting to the Cycling.Tv site by googling "cyclingtv" proved for some unwieldy navigating, at least for my meager brain.
post #172 of 304
Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnH
I think this strategy (or lack thereof) is going to come back to haunt Johan, and my admiration of his abilities will be seriously deminished. He did fine with a Lance on the team (who wouldn't?), but when it comes down to making a "normal" team work, he may not be able to live up to the hype.
Only if you ignore the Tours of Italy and Spain his boys won, with no Lance in the field. This tour isn't looking so good for him, but I doubt he'll ever have trouble finding a job.
post #173 of 304
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ryan
DO NOT FOLLOW THESE INSTRUCTIONS UNLESS YOU'RE PREPARED TO SEE CURRENT STANDINGS

the circuitous route:

click here: http://eljapolak.nl/pivot/tour.php

then, under the category Live Tour de France, (under "Languages" with the flags) click on the Narrowstep Cyclin Live link. I didn't get the names of the two or three guys who were commenting on the race as it went. The host didn't seem to know much about bicycle racing but didn't really get in the way.

getting to the Cycling.Tv site by googling "cyclingtv" proved for some unwieldy navigating, at least for my meager brain.
Thanks! Hmmm...I can't seem to find anything more recent than stage 10 highlights.
post #174 of 304
yeah, may take awhile before 11's up.

but it'll be louder than 10 when it is.
post #175 of 304
Thread Starter 
Seems to default to 11 even though it's not in the menu.

Did you say they had live coverage?
post #176 of 304
did, yeah. but with qualification.

when i caught it this morning, the commentators - both former riders, i believe - would watch the monitor (which we cannot see) and discuss the action. (to get there i googled "tour de france live.")

so, for someone like me, w/o OLN, it's about the best i can do, although tomorrow i'll try to see if that danish video feed is up and running.
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post #178 of 304
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On the last climb today Phil and Paul reported that the UCI had just announced over the radio that they planned to weigh the bikes of the first five finishers. I haven't been able to find any followup on this. Anyone heard anything?
post #179 of 304
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Trautwig is an idiot.

From his lead-in, recap of yesterday's stage:

"Then the American presence was felt, as Levi Leipheimer took his shot at glory with an attack and brought a cool Floyd Landis to the finish line."

Not technically inaccurate, Leipheimer did test the waters and did cross the line ahead of Landis. But as the totality of his description of the climax of the race and the only mention of Landis it's a gross misrepresentation of what occured, motivated by a desire to pimp the American riders.

Levi didn't BRING Floyd anywhere.
post #180 of 304
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Originally Posted by jstraw
Trautwig is an idiot
Tell us something we don't know :
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