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versatility of the xxx's

post #1 of 8
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I'm looking into pickin up a new pair of rossi bandit xxx, but I have questions. I try to ski off-piste as much as possible, but sometimes just like to cruise on groomers too. The conditions here in Washington don't always leave me with the pow I dream of, but I do get back to alaska to ski some amazing back country, so I'm pretty sure I want a fatter ski. Are these skis really that bad on harder stuff? I'm open to any suggestions on this ski or suggestions of different boards, too.
post #2 of 8
Prob'ly depends on your skiing. i skied one day with a guy on those things in 190+. He was about 5'8", maybe 160, and made those things look pretty nimble in bumps and very short turns on firm snow.
post #3 of 8
I ski the XXX in every condition every day in a 185. I am 5'11" and 180 lbs. I thought they would suck on the hardpack but I was pleasently suprised. If you are agressive they will rail for ya. If you are timid they will feel sleepy. They like the big turns but so do I. Hope this helps.
post #4 of 8
Check out Peter Keelty (http://www.techsupportforskiers.com/) who writes this about the BanditXXX:
"This baddest of Bandits is a big ski for big skiers on big mountains. Like the Monster, it stands among the most macho free rides available. A favorite of serious back country riders in places like Snowbird, Alta and Jackson, the 3X requires skill, strength, aggressiveness and not a little attitude. It carves surprising well in deeps or on the groomed, but it is not quick. Stability is unshakable, but at a price; commit this ski to a trajectory and it locks in like a laser. Only the most proficient of skiers can wrangle the XXX in tight spots like trees or bumps and its true purpose in life is to attack the mountain as though terrain were irrelevant. Under the right feet, it does this as well as any ski ever made. Rewards confidence and daring, the XXX penalizes caution or relaxation."

The Atomic TENEX might do you a little better service:
"The TENEX was originally made for deep snow, but we continue to be amazed by its groomed terrain agility. In fact, during testing we found many skiers preferred it over the BetaRide 10.20 and the 11.20, both sporting dimensions 108/70/99, which seem on the surface to make them better choices for lift served off-piste skiing. However, the 10 provided superior float with relatively little sacrifice in carve-holding ability or quickness. Both of those models are better in in-bounds fall line bumps, but that's not really saying much as none of these excel in those toothy corridors. But for general all-over-the-mountain cruising and/or ripping, the 10 EX is near the top of our list. One tester described it as "an all mountain GS." As a bonus (although Atomic probably doesn't see it this way), the 10 is one of only three models offered by Atomic that will accommodate any binding without major modification."
post #5 of 8
I have a 188 XXX and was amazed by it's versatility. Iskiied it for two weeks in March in Austria last year, and found it to be at home on hardpack, powder and crud. I have to say that for mild bumps it was fine, but it was brutal later in the trip skiing big, icy bumps in St. Anton. That was the only time I wished I'd had a different ski.
post #6 of 8
Derekag

Beware of the newer (01-02) XXX's. They seem to have an asymetrical flex pattern (stiffer tip and softer tail) which is NOT condusive to hardpack skiing at all. At least not to my particular style, which depends on a tail with zing.

I loved the previous XXX model and although they were not for bumps or ice, they were bomber at speeds in packed or softer snow. This newer version tho releases far too easily on ice and doesn't live up to the carvability it should have from the bigger sidecut on anything but soft, soft. It also doesn't have any manners in bumps - you need to concentrate too much on keeping from getting throw by the unforgiving forebody. No, I would rate this new XXX as not very versatile, especially for eastern conditions
post #7 of 8
Both my Nephews have the newer version of the Bandit XXX. Both are excellent skiers. Both love thier XXX for powder and big mountain skiing. However they came to the conclusion that the Bandit XXX does not make a great one ski quiver. They still have thier Bandits however they did get other skis to use for those days when the XXX was lacking. As others have said its rather ackward in bumbs and not the best tool for skiing hard pack.
post #8 of 8
Derekag,

If you want a fat ski to destroy any and all terrain in its path, there is a certain group of fats to consider. If you want to billy goat around or ski tight trees with the option of float in soft conditions, other skis come to mind. In the PNW, I would think that the first suggestion would be what you want. I say R-EX, but beware of the size. I ski the 191 and it can feel like a monster at times. It does tear up the groom rather well, though.
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