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Race stock SL skis

post #1 of 22
Thread Starter 
Hi,

Do you know which race stock skis are softer? I weigh 150lbs. and i am looking for a soft race stock ski for freeskiing. For my weight i'm considering the 155 but if the ski is soft enough i would go with the 165.

This is what i know so far about the skis i can get. Some are harder to get and expensive.

Atomic ST race stock 155: the women's ski. I know nothing about it.

Nordica Dobermann SLR: the 05/06 season was the first Nordica used two sheets of titanium for the SL ski. I guess it is not soft now and much more demanding and not a good choice for freeskiing.

Rossignol RS WC Gold T-Box: this is supposed to be a new ski. I know nothing about it, only its sidecut. Or 05/06 9S WC 155/165 but again i don't know how soft it is.

Volkl Racetiger SL race stock: 155 or 165 Does it have two sheets of titanium like the other race stock skis? Is it soft?


I also have some questions for you:

Are the 155 models significantly softer than the 165 models?

Do the 155 skis have only one sheet of titanium? there has to be something that makes them softer.

Which of the current SL race stock skis have only one sheet of titanium and are softer and better for freeskiing?


Thanks a lot!
post #2 of 22
try stockli.... ask ant/yuki
post #3 of 22

I'd probably go with either...

...the Atomics or the Volkls, stay with the 155s. I don't think they're necessarily softer, but you don't need the length for free skiing. I think either one is going to be easier and more user friendly than any of the other choices...
post #4 of 22
If you are looking for a softer ski, why Race Stock?

generally 155 race stock skis are going to be softer then a 165cm race stock ski since they are predomjnatley made for female skiers who are lighter.

My experience with Atomic is that the store stock slaloms are much softer then the race Stock skis.
post #5 of 22
Let's get some basics down as to who you are! Weight, ability, height and all of those good things especially where and why you will be using them.
post #6 of 22
Just get a pair of Fischer WC SCs; they're stiff enough for any free skiing you might want to do at 150 lbs.
post #7 of 22
I would recommend the Volkl; but interstingly I would recommend it in a 165 - especially for free skiing. The added stability will let you have a lot more fun free skiing. You dont have to worry about gates since you aer only free skiing, s if your carved radius is slightly too big; who cares... The put it in perspective I own both the 05/06 165 and the 04/05 155 Nordica SLR. I prefer the 165 any day of the week - not just because of construction either. The 165 (with two sheets of one sheet of metal) is a better ski in every way than the 155. Better edgehold, more power, allows more input, handles rough snow better, and has better stability at speed. If you have any other questions feel free to ask. FWIW, I have two pairs of 155cm sl skis and never used them after I got the 165's... and I plan on getting another pair of 165 SLR's this year. My gf is getting the two pairs of 155's.
Later
GREG
post #8 of 22
Hey Greg:

I agree completely. the 165's are better freeskiing an in gate. Much less sensitve to fore/aft balance (read mistakes) and better in every other way. generally speaking the radius is very similar on 155, 160, & 165 slaloms , as you said the length makes them more versatile in almost all aspects.
post #9 of 22
Thread Starter 
Thanks a lot for your replies!

I had so many questions that i forgot about my stats: 5 foot 9, 155lbs, level 7-8. I want to use them only for freeskiing. I am not a racer. I want to get a race ski because i want to ski more aggressively.

I prefer hardpack but this will probably be the only ski i'll be getting. This is why i need more forgiving race ski. I prefer a soft ski because i want to be able to bend it, not only to ride the sidecut.

The only race stock SL i skied is the Volkl P60 165 with the Marker Piston Control Plate. I think it was a little stiff for me but i can't compare it with another SL. I really want a ski with a softer longitudinal flex that i can bend.

Other skis i tried were the Volkl P50 SL Racing (can't remember the length) (consumer model) and the Rossignol 9S Oversize 164. I could only ski them for a few runs so i couldn't tell how soft they were, but they did not seem to have a soft longitudinal flex.

Do you think that i should look at a consumer race model?
post #10 of 22
"Do you think I should look for a Consumer Race model?"

Yes.
post #11 of 22
Given that you are probably only (sorry) a level 7 or 8 (lets assume low level 8) I would not look toward a race stock ski. I was assuming originally that you were a former racer (given your posting name). If the Volkl is to stiff for you then probably most other skis out there are going to feel stiff to you as well. If I were you I would look at consumer race skis. Here are a few models that might interest you because they ski quite soft:

Rossignol VS
Elan SLX Fusion Pro (very good choice)
Nordica Dobermann SL (not 'R')
Dynastar Omeglass (not the race stock Comp)

My vote would be for the Elan. My brother has a pair of 160's and they are a great ski. They are stiff when you flex them; but due to the huge sidecut they ski very soft and give great rebound. It is probably the closest you will get to race stock performance without taking on the difficulty of skiing a race stock ski. Get the 165, the 160 is too short (which is what my brother has).

Later

GREG
post #12 of 22
I think a Fischer WC SC should be aggresive enough for you. In fact, if you want to also use it for slower turns in soft big bumps, it might be too stiff. You should definately consider the Rossi Oversize and the RX8.
post #13 of 22
Stockli SC....
post #14 of 22
Excellent suggestion.
post #15 of 22
I will put in a vote for the Stockli Laser SC the 163 should do fine. I don't know what chages the ski has gone through recently but as I recall the ski has become more shapely and the radius has decreased over the past 4 years or so... It should be a great ski for you in addition to the others. If you have trouble finding them I am sure someone here could help you locate a pair.
Later
GREG
post #16 of 22
Head iSL Chip and the Head SuperShape.
post #17 of 22
Quote:
Originally Posted by HeluvaSkier
I will put in a vote for the Stockli Laser SC the 163 should do fine. I don't know what chages the ski has gone through recently but as I recall the ski has become more shapely and the radius has decreased over the past 4 years or so... It should be a great ski for you in addition to the others. If you have trouble finding them I am sure someone here could help you locate a pair.
Later
GREG
I'm free-skiing Laser SC's for five, six seasons now. Stateside they are not as hard to come by any more.
I went 170 at first with the 00 model, now I'm on 168 with the 04. I'm 75kg @ 174 so they are taller for my size than the current school of thought I guess. If you know how to lay down an edge I figure this is all you would want, groomers, bumps, whatever, as long as you don't go deeper than 3". In the deeper stuff, fresh or sun-baked, you'll get quite a workout... all work not much fun. For that you might want to add a pair with more board under foot and (way) more radius that floats and runs undeterred.

As far as recent changes go they've moved from wood to iso core. I'm not as much into skiiing any more and have yet to check out the newer models, but I suspect they're (way) softer, just like the Asteroids with iso core (which used to come wood only).
post #18 of 22
One interesting aspect I have come to discover with Stockli Laser SL I don't know about the SC but assume it would be similar, is that the mounting point is consideraby farther forward than almost all other slalom skis.

I have a piar of 04/05 Stockli Laser SL Wc's in a 166. The mounting point was 2-3 centimeters ahead of Volkl, Head, K2, Dynastar, (closer to 4 ahead of Atomic slaloms)

I have marker comp 1400 EPS on a Marker WC Piston Control Plate SL Plate with the long extension arms. I have decided to remove the long extension and see how they ski without it. With it the tips feel very very short to me. if this does not remedy the problem (I do not like being this far forward on the ski) I am going to move the whole setup back to the same point that my 07 Head i SL RD's are mounted. The Heads are still quite a ways ahead of the Atomics, (Both race Stock SL11 & SL11m)but I like how the HEAD skis mounted there. I have always really liked the Atomic allaround position on the Variozone bindings.

Just a bit of info if you decide to go Stockli.
post #19 of 22
Thread Starter 
You are right guys, i don't need a race stock SL. I need a consumer SL either the top-of-the-line model or the detuned model. Of course, the top-of-the-line SL is a detuned model, too, but it will be more forgiving, easier to bend (very important for me) and better for freeskiing altough it will not be ideal. One ski quiver is not ideal.

With a consumer SL i can get the 165 and this will help me. The ski will be more stable and will help me in more difficult snow conditions.The 155 would be too short and, as you have mentioned above, sensitive to fore/aft balance. In rough snow it would be tricky IMO.

Looking at your suggestions, the list is pretty good. I skied the 9S Oversize (which is the VS) and although i liked it, the ski felt a bit heavy. I was not the only one who felt that. It was quick but its weight was noticeable. I could live with it but i would prefer a lighter ski. I can get it easily.

The Laser SC is harder to get.
The Fischer WC SC and RX8 should not be too difficult to get.
The Elan SLX Fusion Pro is probabl a little more difficult to get.
The Dobermann SL i can get easily. I have a friend who can help me with the Dobermann. He told me that he can get the 2007 Dobermann Pro SL XBS 165 or the 2005 Dobermann SL (not Pro) 165. He told me that the 2005 model is different than the 2007 Pro SL. He said that the former has the same race construction as the 2005 SL R called Energy with vertical sidewalls but it does not have a sheet of metal. It only has a sheet of Carbon which makes it a less demanding ski, easier to bend and more forgiving. It also has the XBS system which, in his opinion, is great. It has two aluminum rails for the binding to glide on. This further enahnces the ability to bend the ski. He told me that the ski is quite soft.

The 2007 Pro SL is a different animal. He said that it has a different construction called Active and that it has a sheet of metal. The Active construction is less aggressie than the Energy used in the SL but the metal sheet makes it more demanding.

I really like the idea of a race construction without metal and a free flexing plate. On the other hand, the 2007 model does not have the same contruction (it is more of a high performance construction) but it has metal. The 2007 ski is much more expensive than the 2005 model.

Heluva, what do you think?

Thanks again,
Jim
post #20 of 22
Quote:
Originally Posted by race
I skied the 9S Oversize (which is the VS) and although i liked it, the ski felt a bit heavy. I was not the only one who felt that. It was quick but its weight was noticeable.
Could you elaborate on that a bit. What were you doing when you found the weight noticeable? Tipping it, pushing it around, pivoting, resetting edges in mid-air....?

I suspect the weight might "disappear" as you get more skilled.
On the other hand, if you sensed weight interfering with your sense of the snow surface characteristics, we are talking about something else, and a "lighter-feeling" ski is what you want.
post #21 of 22
Thread Starter 
Ghost,

I was doing pivot SL turns in the fall line. The weight disappeared when i was carving. The ski was very quick, don't get me wrong, but it felt a bit heavy when i was pivoting. And i was not the only one who felt this. If you would look at this link: http://www.ski-review.com/content/view/48/30/ you wil notice that the tester felt the same thing: "a lack of nimbleness" in the fall line.

In the Laser SL review, the same tester says the same thing again. The Dynastar and the Rossi are not light skis. On the other hand, he says that the Dobermann SL w/ race construction and no metal and XBS plate is user friendly and forgiving which is great for me. It seems my friend was right when he said that the 2005 Dobermann SL is forgiving and user friendly for a race ski. It is easy to bend because there is no metal in it and has the same construction as the SLR but no metal (the SLR has 2 sheets of metal now : ).
http://www.ski-review.com/content/view/57/30/
post #22 of 22
I would take the RX8 off your list. It really does not compare well to the short turn and hardpack ability that the other skis you have listed will have. The two top performers that you listed are going to be the Elan SLX Fusion Pro and the Stockli Laser SC. Interestingly, both mount very far forward compared to other slalom skis (my brother's 160 SLX has a longer tail than my 165 SLR's). The Dobermann SL that I mentioned is the Pro, but like you said, the newer models are cap skis and the older models were laminates. If you can find a 2005 Dobermann SL Pro, you might do well on that ski, but they are still not 'easy' to ski on compared to the others you have listed.
Later
GREG
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