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Skis, 90 mm Waist and Up? Got opinions?

post #1 of 16
Thread Starter 
I am going to buy a ski before next season that is 90 mm or more in waist.
I am really leaning towards the Volkl Mantra. .And i have interest in others including the Dynastar Legend Pros and 8800's, the B-4 by Rossi and the Head 88's, Line Prophets

I would like to hear about your fat skis and what you feel about them.

If you were in my place what would you buy?
I like a frim ski. I am around 210 and have plenty of experience

I intend these for powder and as an everyday ski for on and off piste. Mostly off. Steeps and deep or crust busting and everything in between. I have to ski alot of denser snow .So i need a ski that can handle all the off day crap the elements throw at us. I am not a sunny day skier . I go and deal with what i find and make the most of it.

Schweitzer in Idaho is my resort of choice . Lots of open areas and many black and double black runs
post #2 of 16

See this thread

http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/s...ad.php?t=41028

I like Legend Pro's
PM Gear Bro's
And the Blizzard Titan 9 / Pro
post #3 of 16
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MTT
http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/s...ad.php?t=41028

I like Legend Pro's
PM Gear Bro's
And the Blizzard Titan 9 / Pro
Nice link. thx
I would like to hear opinions of other owners of such skis.
post #4 of 16
Garry, they seem to be really burley skis that can hold long radius turns in variable snow. They are not intended for lower speed or tighter turns; although it is possible. These are really big mountain rippers; stiffer, and with much less side cut than skis like Mantra.
post #5 of 16
Well, leaving out my own 90mm+ skis, I'd suggest keeping your eyes out for the screaming deal on some used Stokli Stormrider DPs (under five hundred used if in good shape), or if you're feeling rich, get a new pair (msrp around $1200). I've ONLY heard VERY good things about them, and they are a decidedly burly ski. I DID see a few outstanding deals on these both here and on TGR this past season.

Oh, I also have seen Head Mojo 103s in a 180, new on Ebay for a $329 BIN price. I hear they are a truely burly ski.

My only 90mm+ skis are my V2 Chubbs, which are a decidedly buttery ski, and I love them for their float, but I only use them in SOFT snow, especially deep soft snow. The Machete FB however has the same dimensions and is MUCH stiffer (giving it a different range of applications), so you might look out for a pair, as they usually are south of $250 new. I've read many reviews, and most of them have been favorable, I plan to add a pair to my quiver eventually (probably sooner than is prudent, but the unmounted pair of Machete Hucksters leaning against the wall may slow me down a bit).

Now that I have added my token Volant recommendation, my work here is done.
post #6 of 16
Yeah going along the lines of what Cirquerider said, it also matters on the kind of skiing you do. If you love to rip, the Pros/Bros would be pretty good, but the Mantra has more sidecut if you don't seek out huge terrain.

Also, if you like firm skis the B4 is kind of soft, from what I hear. The B Squad is much much stiffer.
post #7 of 16
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Originally Posted by 3eyedsmiley
Also, if you like firm skis the B4 is kind of soft, from what I hear. The B Squad is much much stiffer.
I heard high praise of the B-Squad (on demo day) from about the fastest ripper on the mountain where I ski, who regularly straightlines* the hill with Legend Pros.





*I apoligise for this hyperbole, he DOES turn occasionally.
post #8 of 16

Another Option

I invite you to take a look here.

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post #9 of 16
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Originally Posted by MTT


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Sweet inverted pole steeze.:
post #10 of 16
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Originally Posted by volantaddict
Sweet inverted pole steeze.:
UUHH?You were suppost to be looking at the cool blue ski's, not my arms

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post #11 of 16
Thread Starter 
Yeah , They look inviting. What lenghth you skiing those at. Twin tips,something around 192?
post #12 of 16
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Originally Posted by GarryZ
Yeah , They look inviting. What lenghth you skiing those at. Twin tips,something around 192?
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http://www.myspace.com/pmgskis

Or Here
www.pmgearusa.com

Mine are the 188 Soft Flex
post #13 of 16
Thread Starter 
Have you tried the stiff model ?
Why did you choose the soft?
For it's reaction in tight places?
I can see a softer ski working to whip around on a steep, pressuring the tip or doing jump turns .It would seem to me to have less of a grip on harder surfaces

My guess is that this is your dedicated soft snow ski .
post #14 of 16

The Softs are not Really Soft (Very even flex tip to Tail)

Quote:
Originally Posted by GarryZ
Have you tried the stiff model ?
Why did you choose the soft?
For it's reaction in tight places?
I can see a softer ski working to whip around on a steep, pressuring the tip or doing jump turns .It would seems to me to have less of a grip on harder surfaces

My guess is that this is your dedicated soft snow ski .
Good questions. I got the softs because the Stiffs were not available at the time and my Legend Pro's were out for warranty repair. I needed Skis! I justified another fat ski under the premise that the Bro's would be mounted with Free Rides (AT Bindings) The soft Bro’s are also lighter than Stiffs or Super Stiffs. I ended up skiing the Bro’s inbounds for 5 Weeks while my Pro’s were gone. I was VERY Happy with Bro's. I ended up wanting to Ski my Legend Pro's inbounds when I wanted to push. This turned out to be more about the Bindings than the Skis.

I have since skied 188 Soft’s with Alpine bindings (Easy Capable Ride)
I have skied 188 Stiff with Alpine Bindings (Feel very much the same as LP's)
I have also skied 179 Stiff Bro's. It’s a really fun ski, real good in tight spots, STEEP PLACES, and fun to rail on groomed snow. But LP's and 188 Bro's suit my aggressiveness and style in most conditions.

I ended up swapping my 186 Legend Pro’s for 194 Legend Pro’s. I did this because the 186 LP’s and 188 soft Bro’s were so close in performance that there was an overlap. 194 LP’s are BEASTS, but I love them.

Make sense?
post #15 of 16
Quote:
If you were in my place what would you buy?
I like a frim ski. I am around 210 and have plenty of experience

I intend these for powder and as an everyday ski for on and off piste. Mostly off. Steeps and deep or crust busting and everything in between. I have to ski alot of denser snow .So i need a ski that can handle all the off day crap the elements throw at us. I am not a sunny day skier . I go and deal with what i find and make the most of it.
i bought my first fat skis this past season: machete FBs in 165 and 175 (actual lengths around 168 and 178, respectively), both 94mm at the waist.
I had previously been skiing 168-long 5*, and mounted my FB 165s first as my everyday ski (and only recently took the 175s out west), and took them out at mount snow, on an especially non-powder day.
The biggest surprise with the skis was how little i had to adjust to them. They were very easy to turn (thanks to their very-centered weight distribution, and their modest sidecut)...and they skiied very well in hardpack; in fact i took them on my fastest runs ever down the northface, doing big GS turns, and feeling very confident. As i would later learn, the skis respond very well to rotary turns in bumps of all sorts, are a great platform for airing the ledges at MAD, and require seriously hard chunks to rattle them.
I would have to say i made my biggest improvements in just about every aspect of my skiing on these boards, but they are vulnerable to bending - and alas, i bent one of my skis well before the season was up.
Luckily, i'd saved the 175s till a recent trip out west...and they were great for skiing steeps, and were a joy in the soft corn.



I hope to take them out west next year as well...and plan to keep using the 165s for bumps and woods every day that the snow is soft...the bent one just doesn't edge so well in the hardpack anymore.:
post #16 of 16
Quote:
Originally Posted by GarryZ
Have you tried the stiff model ?
Why did you choose the soft?
For it's reaction in tight places?
I can see a softer ski working to whip around on a steep, pressuring the tip or doing jump turns .It would seem to me to have less of a grip on harder surfaces

My guess is that this is your dedicated soft snow ski .
Garry
The softs are still stiffer than most production skis out there. They are a notch below the stiffs which like MTT said are comparable to Legend Pros (considered one of the stiffer skis out there)
I never had an edge grip issue or stability issue with my 188 softs.
I do wish I had them mounted with alpine bindings. Naxo's are great for the tour, but not desirable on inbounds days.
Situations where jump turns are mandatory, ie tight steep couliers, the 179 stiffs have been holding it down. They've been all over including a decent of Middle Teton this winter.

Not a full twin either, just a kick in the tail to help with billygoating. A touch bigger than the kick on a legend 8800 if I remember right.
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