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Michelle Wie

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Thread Starter 
The kid is good....but. She should take on the woman and concour the womans field before taking on the men.
post #2 of 28
Why?
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She's now made the cut at a PGA event. Should all the men that have not yet done that go play on the LPGA tour?
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The obligatory, "Who cares, she's hawt!" post.
post #5 of 28
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Originally Posted by jstraw
She's now made the cut at a PGA event. Should all the men that have not yet done that go play on the LPGA tour?
So when she makes a cut (and she will), you'll all quit complaining? That sounds like a good deal.

Because of the nature of golf, there are going to be women who can compete in the PGA. Its coming. Get used to it. The game will be the better for it.
post #6 of 28
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Originally Posted by youngsman
So when she makes a cut (and she will), you'll all quit complaining? That sounds like a good deal.

Because of the nature of golf, there are going to be women who can compete in the PGA. Its coming. Get used to it. The game will be the better for it.
Umm, she HAS made a cut. That's what I just said and what you just quotes. I think you missed my point.
post #7 of 28
Hey let the kid play -she's obviously got the talent .
post #8 of 28
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Originally Posted by jstraw
Umm, she HAS made a cut. That's what I just said and what you just quotes. I think you missed my point.
You're right I did misread your post. So, she's proven she can compete. Is your only argument then that old tired canard about men playing on the women's tour?
post #9 of 28
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Originally Posted by youngsman
You're right I did misread your post. So, she's proven she can compete. Is your only argument then that old tired canard about men playing on the women's tour?
You're still misreading my post.

My point is she's better than some men on the PGA tour. She belongs at the level of competition that challenges her.
post #10 of 28
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Originally Posted by jstraw
You're still misreading my post.

My point is she's better than some men on the PGA tour. She belongs at the level of competition that challenges her.
Ah Ha! I get what you're saying.
post #11 of 28
That old canard about men on the women's tour is TRUE. She can compete with the men, well she qualified. So.

She'll beat a couple of men in the tournament, she won't be competative for a win. So in the end she has gained notoriety for herself and made some professional men look bad. That makes this a publicity stunt.

This is the classic 'SOME women can compete in some sports with some men so they should be allowed too, but NOT ALL women can compete (or serve in the military) so they shouldn't have too.' Equality means equal for all. The guy that finishes 50th on the men's tour would KILL IT on the LPGA, either you can compete as a GENDER or you cannot, which is it????
post #12 of 28
i think she should play wherever she wants to and can qualify...my issue is that from a long term career standpoint i don't think she's doing herself any favors by playing with the men at this stage. i'd rather see her compete on the women's tour, win some tournaments and then go attack the men's tour with better experience under her belt. you need to learn 'how to win'...she hasn't yet figured out how to close one out or come from behind and i think those are important experiences for the long haul..
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Just make the LPGA the Triple A league of golf. First you (any golfer male or female) go to Qualifying School then you compete on the LPGA until you've earned a certain amount of 'points' and then you move on to the PGA Tour.

Equality.

Everyone competing on a level playing field for the same money.

Equality. Women deserve it.
post #14 of 28
Thread Starter 
Let her win on the womans tour first. She made the cut on a second teir Mens Tournement, I am not deminishing that, but its still not good enough. A good day for her on a mens tournement, will win her a womans tournement.

I would like to see an open Pro Tour where all three played..Men, Woman and Seniors (all from their respective lengths), that would be interesting.
post #15 of 28
Phil, that would be AWSOME. I could care less about golf but that would be fun to watch for any sports fan.
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She's what, three years younger than Woods was when he made his first cut? She's a kid. She's dealing with the pressure of the spotlight that's on her on top of the rest of it.

I agree that there are reasons why playing on the womens tour would be in her own best interest but that's her choice and there's no good reason that she should have to.

She'll win a PGA event before she turns 21. You watch.
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There, this thread was pretty much useless without a pic.
post #18 of 28
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Originally Posted by Phil Pugliese
The kid is good....but. She should take on the woman and concour the womans field before taking on the men.
In a spelling bee?
post #19 of 28
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Originally Posted by Phil Pugliese
Let her win on the womans tour first. She made the cut on a second teir Mens Tournement, I am not deminishing that, but its still not good enough. A good day for her on a mens tournement, will win her a womans tournement.

I would like to see an open Pro Tour where all three played..Men, Woman and Seniors (all from their respective lengths), that would be interesting.
The U.S. Open is not specifically a women's or men's event.
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Amen

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Originally Posted by cohenfive
you need to learn 'how to win'...she hasn't yet figured out how to close one out or come from behind and i think those are important experiences for the long haul..
I'd have to agree here. At the highest levels of golf (male and female) the difference is the 5 inches between your ears. They all can strike the ball far better than most of us ever will and they all have "the fire in the belly". But the ability to convert that fire to wins is learned.

Conversely, I'd also say she may be able to covert her plan to wins. It is up to her alone to decide if the road less traveled is for her.

When these words are ever spoken on the first tee at Augusta National I definitely plan to be there to hear them: "Fore please, now driving, Michelle Wie."
post #21 of 28
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Originally Posted by mikewil
I'd have to agree here. At the highest levels of golf (male and female) the difference is the 5 inches between your ears. They all can strike the ball far better than most of us ever will and they all have "the fire in the belly". But the ability to convert that fire to wins is learned.

Conversely, I'd also say she may be able to covert her plan to wins. It is up to her alone to decide if the road less traveled is for her.

When these words are ever spoken on the first tee at Augusta National I definitely plan to be there to hear them: "Fore please, now driving, Michelle Wie."
With Hootie's reactionary old keister out of the way, you may get that chance.
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Originally Posted by jstraw
With Hootie's reactionary old keister out of the way, you may get that chance.
Don't bet on it, at least anytime soon.
post #23 of 28
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Originally Posted by jstraw
With Hootie's reactionary old keister out of the way, you may get that chance.
Qualification to play in the Masters is a pretty straight forward. The criteria are published-meet one of them and you will be invited.

Membership at Augusta National is another whole issue seperate from the invitation to play in the tournament. Hopefully we'll see changes here in the near future.
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I still don't see all of the fuss over women's membership in Augusta National. They don't receive federal money. there are many boys clubs in the world, and many women's clubs int he world. there are clubs for people different nationalities, races, and sexual preferences. many of them are exclusive.
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If you wonder why Michele wants to play with the men, just look at the gender gap in winnings. You go, Michele. Bring it on.
post #26 of 28
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Originally Posted by nolo
If you wonder why Michele wants to play with the men, just look at the gender gap in winnings. You go, Michele. Bring it on.
I hear you.

That said, she's in a position to earn endorsement money that dwarfs her potential winnings. In fact, doing what she's doing probably triples her potential endorsement earnings.
post #27 of 28
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Originally Posted by nolo
If you wonder why Michele wants to play with the men, just look at the gender gap in winnings. You go, Michele. Bring it on.
And also look at what she's doing for golf in general...

ESPN and The Golf Channel did live coverage of a regional qualifier for the US Open - that's normally one of the biggest yawners in golf. IF she had qualified (and remember that she finished - I think - only five strokes out and apparently missed about a dozen putts under 12 feet) it would have been the biggest sports news story of the day.

That kind of visibility and exposure is what builds the advertising value of a sport. She is already having an enormous impact on worldwide interest in golf.

She's SIXTEEN frickin' years old and playing spectacular, if somewhat inconsistent, golf. I'm in awe of her. The fact that she's a girl not only makes it more amazing - it makes it a really compelling story.

I'm sort of a hit-or-miss golf fan. I'll watch PGA tournaments if I happen to be in front of the tv and somebody I know is in the hunt on Sunday afternoon. I watch as much of the men's majors as I can and I absolutely LOVE to watch the Masters, but that's about it. Given that, I've found myself going online and looking for news and scores when Michelle is playing. THAT is drawing power.

So, Phil, I'm thrilled to see her out there playing against the men. I can't wait to see her (or some other woman) play in a men's Major one of these days and I believe it'll happen in the next few years.

Once THAT line in crossed, then maybe it's only a matter of time before a woman WINS a major, and wouldn't THAT be a story!
post #28 of 28
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Originally Posted by Whiteroom
Just make the LPGA the Triple A league of golf. First you (any golfer male or female) go to Qualifying School then you compete on the LPGA until you've earned a certain amount of 'points' and then you move on to the PGA Tour.

Equality.

Everyone competing on a level playing field for the same money.

Equality. Women deserve it.
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Originally Posted by Phil Pugliese
I would like to see an open Pro Tour where all three played..Men, Woman and Seniors (all from their respective lengths), that would be interesting.
While these sound like interesting ideas, they'd never fly. Why? The LPGA wouldn't survive it, and the people that make a living off of the LPGA tour, would all need to get desk jobs or become landscapers. The PGA tour revenues and prize money, (forget about endorsements down the drain), would not grow in size equal to the loss of the LPGA, especially for the lower finishers. Let's face it, if you were #10 on the LPGA tour, your damn good, but how would you fare against the men on the PGA? Never make a cut comes to mind.

As a single event, I like Phil's idea, and it's been done to some extent by puting women in skins games. I think it would be cool to have women involved in match play events, either having womens teams or coed teams. That would add some flavor.
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