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Poll Results: What do you think of the new FIS gear regulations?

 
  • 12% (5)
    Good
  • 56% (22)
    Bad
  • 5% (2)
    Okay, but.... (explain in comments)
  • 25% (10)
    No opinion.... yet
39 Total Votes  
post #61 of 78
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Originally Posted by real9999
I was wondering about this too since the Ski Racing article was not very specific. The FIS website states,

"Approval of several specifications for competition equipment as from 2007/08 for the World and Continental Cups, and as from 2008/09 for FIS races."
That's good - so for those of us not running along side Maier we have another 2 years of our current spec equipment!! I wonder if anyone will try to switch before then just to get a head start...
post #62 of 78
I bet we will start to see more GS skis int he 24m to 26m range over the next two years. This would serve two purposes. It will allow ski companies to perfect a longitudinally soft ski that has minimal sidecut and still carves a tight turn, and allow competitors to get used to skiing on skis that are built like that. It will be interesting to see the trend once newer skis are released... If the new boards will carve tight turns still, they will be very fast and be able to ajust to many different turn shapes.
Later
GREG
post #63 of 78
4 yrs ago we created an entire line of junior gs skis from 127cm's, all with a 17m turn shape in preparation for this transition. in the end we had to adjust our sidecuts to be more in line with what the other vendors were offering if we hoped to sell any skis at all. i think it's only human nature to be more concerend with going fast today and not worry so much about tomorrow but for years now we've watched juniors ski longer slalom skis (or SL like sidecuts) for GS because of the extra shape, now many of these kids only know how to "park and ride" these clean little arcs all the way down the hill. try to get these kids to consciously feather/drift a ski into a turn, it's not as easy as you might think. the shortest, turniest skis have been the silver bullet for some time now and while the most proficient athletes always find away to adapt and conform, it will become very apparent who the dynamic, fundamentally sound skiers are when these changes take place. the small athlete argument? they absolutely get screwed a bit but lets face it, we're still talking about 185cm's and 165cm's!! when you're 5'2" they dont lower the basketball hoop...if it's your passion you practice more and gut it out.
jmo
M Bettencourt
Atomic Ski USA
post #64 of 78
by the way, it's really only about 1/1.5 meter of adjustment that will need to happen to most skis in the 185 range. nearly all womens skis comply with the new rules already.
post #65 of 78
Quote:
Originally Posted by logruve_
M Bettencourt
Atomic Ski USA
Well said!
post #66 of 78
Quote:
Originally Posted by logruve_
in the end we had to adjust our sidecuts to be more in line with what the other vendors were offering if we hoped to sell any skis at all.
M Bettencourt
Atomic Ski USA
Best of luck to you in your new position. Thanks for spending time here at Epic.
post #67 of 78
It's nice to see an insider at a company like Atomic saying that extreme sidecut skis promote a LACK of development of fundemental skills. I agree Logruve.

"for years now we've watched Jr's ski longer slalom skis (or SL like sidecuts) for GS because of the extra shape, now many of these kids only know how to 'park n' ride'...it will become apparent who the dynamic, fundamentally sound skiers are"

I couldn't agree more. When we were racing on straight skis smaller skiers were NOT at a disadvantage. Quickness and finess won over brute force almost ALL the time.
post #68 of 78
For what its worth-In nearly every Europa cup I raced, there were a large portion of racers on illegal equpt- some were cheating, some could not afford new gear.
post #69 of 78
it will be very interesting - i remember back when the shift to carvers came around and the playing field was really levelled what seemed overnight - this could prove to be a reversal of that, especially for kids that have learned to ski on carvers and maybe didn't quite conquer all of the fundamentals.
post #70 of 78
Quote:
Originally Posted by mikey_10
it will be very interesting - i remember back when the shift to carvers came around and the playing field was really levelled what seemed overnight - this could prove to be a reversal of that, especially for kids that have learned to ski on carvers and maybe didn't quite conquer all of the fundamentals.

I think that is a really good assessment-For some reason folks in ski racing always find a way to drive people from the sport- this will, once again make it so that the little kids will never get a fair shot. There is no published study from The FIS regarding relationship of equiptment and injury. The one study that I have seen (I think it was done in conjunction with the U. of Vienna) showed no varifiable link to injury....Ther are some obvious advantages and disadvantages with shaped and lifted skis etc, but the adjustment to this rule are aimed at the highest levels of skiing with no regard for the youngster- just my thought-
what do I know, I'm just a chick.
post #71 of 78
Quote:
Originally Posted by racergal
I think that is a really good assessment-For some reason folks in ski racing always find a way to drive people from the sport- this will, once again make it so that the little kids will never get a fair shot. There is no published study from The FIS regarding relationship of equiptment and injury. The one study that I have seen (I think it was done in conjunction with the U. of Vienna) showed no varifiable link to injury....Ther are some obvious advantages and disadvantages with shaped and lifted skis etc, but the adjustment to this rule are aimed at the highest levels of skiing with no regard for the youngster- just my thought-
what do I know, I'm just a chick.
I like skier chicks!
post #72 of 78
did it really level the field though? i dont recall a sudden rush of "Cinderella" stories...i do think that everyone skied faster, j5's now ski as fast as the 3's did 15 years ago but when all said and done, the fastest/most proficient skiers were still winning.

some folks think this is about selling more skis (our world wide pres sits on the SRS board that works with FIS regarding equipment changes), the truth is, it is a major pain in the a$$ to deal with these changes from a supplier standpoint and very expensive. speed skis are a prime example, it can take years to build a pipeline of fast/proven dh/sg skis only to have them rendered obsolete by literally 2mm's of waste width. in the end, the new rules are often the result of concessions made by both sides, a middle ground, i think we're lucky the gs radius didnt end up 28-28.5 m's!!
post #73 of 78
Whatever it means for racers, for recreational skiers it means we're now going to see last year's race skis dumped on ebay, ski swaps, etc., at nice prices. I see a 21m GS ski in my future.
post #74 of 78
there really are not many to begin with...the only one we have (like most companies) is our 176.
post #75 of 78
Quote:
Originally Posted by racergal
I think that is a really good assessment-For some reason folks in ski racing always find a way to drive people from the sport- this will, once again make it so that the little kids will never get a fair shot. There is no published study from The FIS regarding relationship of equiptment and injury. The one study that I have seen (I think it was done in conjunction with the U. of Vienna) showed no varifiable link to injury....Ther are some obvious advantages and disadvantages with shaped and lifted skis etc, but the adjustment to this rule are aimed at the highest levels of skiing with no regard for the youngster- just my thought-
what do I know, I'm just a chick.
That was my take exactly. There's no proof, just anecdotes, that says more sidecut equals more injuries. Now we've got this whole other thread that says maybe it's better for kids (and all concerned) if they've got to deal with less sidecut if that means better fundamentals. True, as long as course setting changes commensurately. And again, the litmus test will be the World Cuppers because they'll get to be the guinea pigs. To an extent, it's probably not going to make a hell of a lot of difference to them, because they're already skiing on sidecuts that are close to the new regs. But I still want to see how this all plays out on a course like Beaver Creek or Adelboden. The affect on "other" ski racers, especially juniors, is, as many of you have noticed, potentially much greater. If "greater" translates into "better", fine, I'm all for it. If it doesn't stem the rising tide of injuries or turns ski racing into a joke sport, then I'm against it...
post #76 of 78
our world cup guys at 193, 195 and longer are already skiing 28.5 or larger radii for GS.
post #77 of 78
Quote:
Originally Posted by logruve_
did it really level the field though? i dont recall a sudden rush of "Cinderella" stories...i do think that everyone skied faster, j5's now ski as fast as the 3's did 15 years ago but when all said and done, the fastest/most proficient skiers were still winning.
true - i think around here it didn't really change who was winning the races, but it made all of the finishes a lot tighter, with fewer stragglers, and a LOT more DNFs.
post #78 of 78
"...LOTS more DNF's" Since most ski related injuries occur during falls, not 'just skiing along' it seems the FIS may be onto something, emperical evidence or not.
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