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Can you do this?

post #1 of 10
Thread Starter 
I was skiing in a DCL training event this season and our great and excellent leader, Paul Jones, had us attempt and work on the following game.
Pair off by two. The leader is to ski a defined radius in the fall line is a dynamic mode. The follower is to ski the same turn, but make sure the skis are traveling just to the outside of the apex of the leaders track. The tricky part is to not let the leader get ahead of you.
I can tell you that after getting left behind after only a couple of turns, I started to learn the meaning of moving through the transition in an active and directional way.
Quite fun, which skiing should be, and very insightful.
Just wondering if anyone has any thoughts on traveling farther but going just as fast and what some of the keys elements of timing might be.
Greg Luce
ps I am training a group of "Hoodie" instructors on Hood this weekend, I hope some of you can get over here.
post #2 of 10
That would be skiing the slow line fast.
Like this thread
or the complete Google index of previous threads mentioning the topic.
post #3 of 10
Reminds me of the early "carving" competitions, where you got extra points for going around the wider cones - in the allotted maximum time.

Apart from your own ability, your chances of success at the exercise depend on: how good the leading skier is, and how "dynamic" his turns are. If Bode Miller was making his best slalom turns, and I was following him, trying to ski a wider line on each turn, I'm not sure I could keep up

On the other hand, if Bode was on his DH boards, and I was on SL skis, I might just have a chance! So the relative sidecuts of the partners' skis is obviously also pretty crucial.

Still, sounds a fun exercise.
post #4 of 10
Thread Starter 
The Rusty,
Thanks for the lead, I'll check out the past posts.

I think you are on to something regarding various side cut tools. Seems like a great way to build diversity by challenging each persons idea on how they can really use said tool.

post #5 of 10
I did not find it, but somewhere in here is an animated GIF from Bob Barnes that pretty much says it all.
post #6 of 10
I assume this is the one you mean, therusty.

The red and yellow skiers descend the slope at the same rate, but the red skiers make much cleaner turns (more carved, skis going the way they're pointing instead of sideways). That's why they can ski so much longer a line, so much wider turns. The red skiers ski a longer "slower" line, at a higher speed--the slow line fast!

The red skiers demonstrate "offensive" skiing, the yellow skiers "defensive" skiing. That is to say that the red skiers use their skis to control direction (directly) and rely on direction to control speed, while the yellow skiers use their skis to control speed, scrubbing off speed by intentional skidding. The red skiers do not turn to control speed--they turn so they don't have to control speed!

Best regards,
Bob Barnes.
post #7 of 10
I finally understand what you guys mean by skiing the slow line fast. Very informative. Thanks.

post #8 of 10
Here is a video overlay of two skiers, one skiing a shorter line, one skiing a longer line, yet both net out at same speed thru course. (That'd be me on the longer line). http://media.putfile.com/Line-Compare
post #9 of 10
I always want that video to go a bit longer. Really nice, tho, Arc!
post #10 of 10
Arc, WOW! Nice video. It must have taken a bit of work to get it together. I agree with ssh, I wish it were longer.
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