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2007 Nordica Doberman GS R (176)

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Conditions: Spring race camp. Spring granular frozen overnight. Mostly skied in the shade and in-course.

My specs: 6’, 170lbs. male, 35th season skiing, PSIA level II cert. Ski fast, love to turn, enjoy the “arc and spark”, and powder. Gearhead.

My own equipment (05/06 season): Tecnica Icon Race XT17 boots with ZipFit Plug Leather liners, 162cm Atomic Metron m:b5 skis, Leki AERO Viper Trigger poles, Marker helmet and goggles.

This review consists of my thoughts and impressions of these skis. As all should know, ski impressions are driven by personal preference, technique, preferred sensations, and so on. Some have said that we prefer skis that mask our technique issues. Probably true. We also probably prefer those that our technique can really use. So, this is not doctrine. Simply what I think about what I felt.

Skiing style/technique: I have asked some ski instructors and race coaches to describe my skiing to give you an idea of my technical ability. Here's what they had to say: "dynamic, smooth, efficient. Good turn completion. Occasional tendency not to move down the hill on initiation that is easily corrected when you think about it." "...skiing looked generally quite good. You seem to ski a pretty aggressive line and generally in balance. Your turns are generally carved, even on the pitches. The thing I did notice that I would comment on if I were coaching you was a stance that seemed a bit narrow, and a turn initiation that seemed a bit steery." "...you are a technically strong, aggressive skier with a bias toward power rather than finesse. Smooth and fast!!" All that said, I felt pretty out of my element in the gates today, so do not take these insights as coming from a hard-charging gate-basher...

Preference in skis: If you consider the skis that I prefer, you'll see that I like 'em light and lively. I like a lot of snow feel and energy in the ski. I prefer a slalom racing ski feel for my personal skis, and I love the carve.

The Doberman GS R is the "race stock" ski from Nordica, but they do not have a "consumer race" line. If you buy a race ski from them, you get the same skis that their FIS racers are on (although, of course, not their WC racers). I skied the 176 because I don't care a whit about FIS rules for me, and for focusing on bending the skis, shorter seemed better.

Once again, these Nordicas proved that they are real race skis. They held extremely well on the hard snow (as you'd expect), and yet were very quiet although lively. In other words, while they were light and quick (given the GS sidecut, of course), they did not get smacked around by the little surprises that you tend to get more often early on a late spring day... :

They were easily directed into turns, but really shined when they were up on edge. They wanted me to stand on them more than I am used to doing, so I had to really focus on letting the Gs build to bend them. However, they were stable and trustworthy on edge, asking me to give more because they liked it so much.

These are real race skis. While they did not beat me up, they are demanding, and if you are going to ski them, you need to be able to bend a ski. If you have the skill to do that, however, you'll be rewarded with a very effective mix of light-and-lively with stability.
post #2 of 15
Steve, thanks for the review. What plate was on these?
post #3 of 15
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Also, for the record, these skis were all hand-tuned by Matt Schiller and his team. They were tuned to World Cup standards, .7/3 on the GS, .5/3 on the SL. And pristine. I can't say enough about the tunes that these skis had!
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Originally Posted by ScotsSkier
What plate was on these?
The X Balance race plate. I do not know if there are more specifics than that. I'll try to find out tomorrow.

Note: these were not demo bindings, but the standard race bindings.
post #5 of 15
I'll add to Steve's review and say that the 181cm Nordica GSR is also a sweet ride. I skied them today and liked them a lot. They were a very damp, supple ride but with great feel for the snow and quite lively. I am a bigger guy (195#) with a race background so I usually ski GS on 185-190ish skis. The 181's never folded or washed out on me. Watching other skiers ski them I was impressed that the 176 and 181's worked well for a broad range of skill levels and body sizes.

Scots, the plate is Nordica's design and built by Vist. It looks like the 2-piece Vist plate many race departments use but it is a little different. Similar to the plates Vist built for Nordica and Elan in the past it has an aluminum bar that runs between the front and rear pieces of the plate. The diffrence is that on this one the bar interfaces at the top of the rear piece and the bottom of the front piece. It helps direct energy towards the front of the ski. The plate seems to complement the ski well, giving it good feel and lots of energy.
Have fun
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Thanks for the addition, bennyr... I chatted with one of the Nordica guys about the plate today. They tested the Piston plate against this plate (the XB World Cup plate) with their A Team and FIS athletes. The athletes preferred this one for the additional feel and liveliness that it gave the ski.
post #7 of 15
This ski is sweet. I just bought a pair in 186.

I also tried the Volkl 185, and Fischer in 188. I only got a few runs on the Volkl until one of the skis crumpled in a crash, but it was alot lighter feeling and tossable than the Nordica. The Fischer, quite frankly, kicked my ass. I could ski it, but it took way too much oomph than I liked to get it to come around. The Nordica was just right. Solid and damp, but not as demanding as the Fischer. Oh so sweet...

Nordica race skis in general seemed to be very well received by many people. I expect them to pick up quite a bit next season.
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Originally Posted by real9999
Nordica race skis in general seemed to be very well received by many people. I expect them to pick up quite a bit next season.
I will be on both the GSR and SLR next season... and probably the new Dobie Aggressor boot if I can afford it. They are great skis and compete with just about everything out there. Most of my ski team switched to those over the past few years and the numbers are growing. The skis are fast...

Later

GREG
post #9 of 15
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I agree, real9999. While they lock onto the edge and hold on, they don't kick the skier around.
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I purchased a pair of '06 GSRs at the end of the season. They do not currently have plates on them. I have a pair of EPBs on an old pair of K2 Merlin VIs, but I do not think that these are good plates by modern standards. I also have Marker MRR bindings that I plan to mount, and I am trying to decide what plate to go with. Vist plates seem to be the standard these days, so I have been considering them. Which model do you guys suggest? I don't know whether to go with the one piece plate -- more of the conventional race plate -- or the two piece model with the metal bar connecting the front and rear pieces. I believe they are called the World Cup Race and World Cup Pro, respectively.

The skis are 186 cm. I am upgrading from 185 cm Nordica K0.0, which I love but are at the end of their lifespan. They are GS skis from about 5 or 6 years ago. I am 5'11", 175#, and have been racing for about 10 years. Any advice is appreciated.
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I got to ski the GSR this spring. I skiied 4 pairs. The 176 with the X-Balance plate, the 176 with Marker Piston Plate, and the 181 (or the 183?) with the same two plates. I liked both lenghts better with the piston plate. On the X-Balance plate I always felt like I was a little on my heels which I think is the opposite of what I was supposed to feel. So my answer is get the Marker Piston Plate. But that's just me.
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You might want to contact PJ ar Race Stock. He carries both the Vists and Markers. He should be back in Vermont by now.

And my 07 GSR's arrived today. They're so purdy...
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question

This summer i trained up @ mt hood testing a bunch of differnt skis finding i liked the 176 07 nordicas the best. im 5'8 , 130 but for USSA i need the regulation length of 181. People have told me that 176 may be a differnt ski than the 181 because the 176 is suppose to be womens world cup so they may be a softer ski than the 181. I never got a chance to demo the 181's because the nordica demo shop was out of them, i loved the 176 but do you think i should get 181 and will i like them as much as the 176? thanks
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Originally Posted by ender View Post
This summer i trained up @ mt hood testing a bunch of differnt skis finding i liked the 176 07 nordicas the best. im 5'8 , 130 but for USSA i need the regulation length of 181. People have told me that 176 may be a differnt ski than the 181 because the 176 is suppose to be womens world cup so they may be a softer ski than the 181. I never got a chance to demo the 181's because the nordica demo shop was out of them, i loved the 176 but do you think i should get 181 and will i like them as much as the 176? thanks
Actually you might be in luck... Technically the 181 is still considered a women's length. Being that it is a 'womens' ski it may still have the same characteristics that the 176 does. The 176 is actually designed for younger racers (male and female I think) and the 181 and 186 are the J1/2 and FIS women's and men's skis. In my experience skiing a 180+ GS ski is usually not overly difficult - although they take a lot of time to get used to. They require that you are very aggressive with them, and leave little room for being a 'slacker' and trying to ride the ski through the turn. If you are concerned about going to a longer ski you should look at companies like Rossignol that make a very soft 181 GS ski. Nordica is one of the stiffest ski brands out there right now. The 181 Rossi would probably be less stable than the 176 Nordica.

Later

GREG
post #15 of 15
allright thanks im trying to lift and gain more upper body muscle to put on weight for during the flats in races so i'll hopefully be around 140-150 by the time the season comes around. i think ill just go with the nordicas i love the ski and i've tried 175 volkls and 180 volkls while i was at hood and i didnt have too much trouble skiing them i just didnt like the ski as much as i did with nordicas, so i'll just go and get the 181's . thanks for the reply
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