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Mantra in shorter sizes

post #1 of 17
Thread Starter 
I've read a bunch here already about the Mantra and am close to buying them but am a bit unsure of the sizing. I am 5' 7" and 150lb. I ski the 161cm Allstar and absolutely love it. I am looking for a crud powder ski and think the Mantra would be great. However, many of the posts indicate that 177 or 184 are awesome, but the skiers all seem to be 165 lb and up.

I like to ski fast, but I am not a superaggressive skier. Do you think that the Mantra in 170 would be too short? I prefer a ski that I can manuever when needed and a shorter length seems like it woudl work for me.

Any thoughts?

Thanks.
post #2 of 17
Where will you be doing most of your skiing, East or West? I'm not a Mantra expert, per se, but from what I've heard and read, if you're skiing mostly in the East, a shorter size is fine and may actually be better for turning in tight Eastern trees. If you're skiing mostly out West, then go longer as you'll probably need the extra length.

I was looking at the Mantra in a 170 for me but most of my skiing is done in the East. I'm 5'10", 200 lbs. Someone else bought the pair I was looking at before I could pull the trigger so I'll have to wait for next year's model.

Are you looking at the '06-07 model or have you been able to find a '05-06 model? Other than graphics, both skis are the same, I think, but from what I've heard the '05-06 Mantra was so popular that they sold out everywhere (especially in the longer lengths).
post #3 of 17
The 2006-07 model Mantra (Orange) will be a stiffer ski than last year. A shorter length may be OK. I think a longer ski for crud and pow is more than justified and a 177 or 184 would be fine at your size. It really depends on your intent, but I would lean towards a 184 for a 200 lb guy, and might even venture a 191 if you have more open terrain.
post #4 of 17
I'm your size and ski the 05/06 in a 177 mounted 1.5 cm back. You could mount them on the line for maneuverability, but for wide-open powder skiing, I wouldn't.
post #5 of 17
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by madskier6
Where will you be doing most of your skiing, East or West? I'm not a Mantra expert, per se, but from what I've heard and read, if you're skiing mostly in the East, a shorter size is fine and may actually be better for turning in tight Eastern trees. If you're skiing mostly out West, then go longer as you'll probably need the extra length.

I was looking at the Mantra in a 170 for me but most of my skiing is done in the East. I'm 5'10", 200 lbs. Someone else bought the pair I was looking at before I could pull the trigger so I'll have to wait for next year's model.

Are you looking at the '06-07 model or have you been able to find a '05-06 model? Other than graphics, both skis are the same, I think, but from what I've heard the '05-06 Mantra was so popular that they sold out everywhere (especially in the longer lengths).
I'm looking at the '06/'07 model (can't find the 05/06 anymore) and ski out West, but more often in cut-up and crud than pow. As I prefer a shorter ski, and prefer teh ability to make short turns, how much difference would there be between the 170 and 177? I think the 184 would be too long.
post #6 of 17
I own 2007 177cm, did own 2006 177cm. I'm 5'11'' 200. Plenty of ski for me in the east even took em to snowbird in 13inches they were great. Don't get hung up in length. I'll give this advise if your having trouble making short turns, and that's what you like to do and if you ski mostly east then go shorter. But it's not a hard ski to ski. Not that allstar is but it's much easier than allstar.

I don't find 2007 stiffer at all than 2006.
post #7 of 17
The current version of 2007 are identical to the 06. The new stiffer version arrives this fall. Posted on TGR 5/4/06:

Quote:
Originally Posted by squaretail
This just in.

The 0607 (Red) Mantra will be noticeably stiffer than the 0506. This will be a change for the main production run. The few red pairs that are in the USA now are the same as the 0506.
post #8 of 17

Hearsay?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cirquerider
The current version of 2007 are identical to the 06. The new stiffer version arrives this fall. Posted on TGR 5/4/06:
Cirq:
Are you sure "SQUARETAIL" has the real factory info?

When I spoke to Volkl USA headquarters in West Lebanon, NH they said they were identical but for graphics.
post #9 of 17
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gotama
Cirq:
Are you sure "SQUARETAIL" has the real factory info?

When I spoke to Volkl USA headquarters in West Lebanon, NH they said they were identical but for graphics.
Gotama, Squaretail is correct. Not sure who you talked to, but this guy I know, who knows a guy, who's related to a guy, who overheard someone in that little sandwich shop in W. Leb. at the bottom of the hill at lunchtime said that there is just some "tweaking" going to take place. But that there is a difference between the '06 Spring Mantra's and the '06 Fall Mantra's.

HB
post #10 of 17

07 changes

Thanks HB:

No doubt the person I spoke to was not prime source but rather a generic customer service rep and it was over 2 months ago and the info may not have made its way down the chain.

I'm pretty much between an 07 Mantra and a 07 Nordica Supercharger Enforcer (135-98-125) for my next season freeride ski so I'm eagerly digesting any info I can find on either.
post #11 of 17
Own the 06 in 177, weigh 165. Surprisingly quick and easy in tight spots, stable in crud up to the low 20's; lot of high level AT guys ski this length. At 150, you'd want the 170 if you like turns and trees, the 177 if you like to do big arcs in deeper stuff. Binding location matters; use factory line if you get a 177 and want it to turn.
post #12 of 17
Gotama, it could have all been in the timing. Usually tech reps are up on the latest info, but aren't allowed to say much. So maybe they knew, they just couldn't say anything until Squaretail "outed" the info.

HB
post #13 of 17
Since we seem to be straying back to next season's Mantra specs, and all agree it'll be stiffer, can you insiders address the other changes I was (maybe erroneously) told about? Will the tail get modified? Will the ski be lighter? Curious because want a backup pair and trying to decide about replication vs potential improvement.
post #14 of 17
Quote:
Originally Posted by beyond
Since we seem to be straying back to next season's Mantra specs, and all agree it'll be stiffer, can you insiders address the other changes I was (maybe erroneously) told about? Will the tail get modified? Will the ski be lighter? Curious because want a backup pair and trying to decide about replication vs potential improvement.
Although this doesn't answer all your questions, look here http://forums.epicski.com/showthread.php?t=41248

HB
post #15 of 17
HB, thanks for the link to my thread. My question in this thread was a June-no-snow-in-NE-let's-scheme-on-the-fall attempt to resolve some inconsistencies in previous posts about the 07 Mantra (including my own):

Squaretail, who I have been told knows a bunch about Volkls, mentioned more stiffness, period. Volkl, who I assume knows a bunch about Volkls, mentioned more stiffness, period. OTOH, you and the folks at Al's, who also know a bunch etc. also mentioned tails, and Al's alone mentioned lighter weight. That last claim especially intrigues me.

Guess we'll just have to wait until the tests come out, assuming they evaluate the updated version. Which Al's may or may not have now, and which may or may not be available before late winter 07...

Does that mean I have to actually get some work done?
post #16 of 17
The geometry, including the tail, remains the same. Final skis may be very marginally lighter, but not by a whole lot.
post #17 of 17
If they're making the base a bit thicker, and the ski a bit stiffer, I don't see how they're going to be a bit lighter.
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