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Marker vs. Salomon binding?

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I bought a pair of Atomic Big Daddy skis on ebay about 6 weeks ago. They came mounted with Marker Titanium 12.0 Free bindings, fortunately mounted in the right size for my boots. I have been browsing over at Tetongravity.com and the members on that forum seem to hate Marker bindings, though I am not sure why. I can get a pair of Salomon 912 Ti bindings for a reasonable price. Since the current bindings fit, is there any reason why I should be afraid of marker bindings?
post #2 of 15
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Originally Posted by paully
I bought a pair of Atomic Big Daddy skis on ebay about 6 weeks ago. They came mounted with Marker Titanium 12.0 Free bindings, fortunately mounted in the right size for my boots. I have been browsing over at Tetongravity.com and the members on that forum seem to hate Marker bindings, though I am not sure why. I can get a pair of Salomon 912 Ti bindings for a reasonable price. Since the current bindings fit, is there any reason why I should be afraid of marker bindings?
They just tend to edge towards releasing more often than others. If you are skiing lots of stuff where if you pre-release you are seriously screwed, and would like the skis to stay on no matter what, then maybe consider getting dif bindings. Markers work for most people, though.
post #3 of 15
I am a long time Salomon enthusiast, about to go for something else next time. In spite of over 30 years of faithfully buying them, the last two pairs have needed constant toe piece adjustments mid season. I kid you not, I had one pair in three times this season to be tightened up. I understand this has been an ongoing issue in recent years.
post #4 of 15
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Originally Posted by sibhusky
I am a long time Salomon enthusiast, about to go for something else next time. In spite of over 30 years of faithfully buying them, the last two pairs have needed constant toe piece adjustments mid season. I kid you not, I had one pair in three times this season to be tightened up. I understand this has been an ongoing issue in recent years.
This has been a problem with newer Salomon bindings. IMHO, the Marker issues of pre releasing stem from the older series, not so much the newer ones.
post #5 of 15
I personally like Marker bindings, but that is just me. But I'll tell you what I'll do............

I have a pair of Salomon 900 Carbon Poweraxe Bindings (Din 12) I'll trade you straight up for the Markers. These binders are a couple of years old, but were only skied on for about 4 hours, so they are in new condition. What condition are the Markers in?

FYI - I think you will have to get a wider brake for the Salomons to fit on the Atomics.
post #6 of 15
pre-release is an oxymoron.
post #7 of 15
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Originally Posted by sibhusky
I am a long time Salomon enthusiast, about to go for something else next time. In spite of over 30 years of faithfully buying them, the last two pairs have needed constant toe piece adjustments mid season. I kid you not, I had one pair in three times this season to be tightened up. I understand this has been an ongoing issue in recent years.
May want to try using a medium strength threadlocker product. I have heard that does wonders and plan to do the same with my sollys for next season.
post #8 of 15
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Originally Posted by mooseknuckle
May want to try using a medium strength threadlocker product. I have heard that does wonders and plan to do the same with my sollys for next season.
Is that something that's the opposite of oil or what? (Not a handyman by any means.)
post #9 of 15
Sibhusky, yes.

Loctite is the well-known brand name; I like Vibra-Tite.
post #10 of 15
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Originally Posted by sibhusky
Is that something that's the opposite of oil or what? (Not a handyman by any means.)
That's correct
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post #12 of 15
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Originally Posted by sibhusky
Is that something that's the opposite of oil or what? (Not a handyman by any means.)
Here is a link to the product at lowes:

http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?action=frameSet&url=www.duckproducts.com/lowes/products/default.asp?CatSeqID=10%2526SubCatSeqID=48%2526Sit eSeqID=3

google "threadlocker" and/or "loctite" would also work.
post #13 of 15
The big Daddy is made for big mountain skiing. They are made for eye watering scary fast skiing in big bowls and the like. I would assume your not going to be using then to to cruise around on groomed runs. One of the on going problems I have with Marker is that they still don't have any travel before releasing. You are in the binding or your out of the binding end of story. A bit of travel before you are out of the binding can make a big
difference. I am also not a fan of solving the release problem by cranking up your Din. My binding of choice for off piste skiing is the old tried and true Look Pivot 10/12 or-14 Just find the one that puts your din in mid range. I have also started to hear some positive feedback on The Tryolia system. At one time I really liked the Salomon Bindings but a few prerelease's in Powder stuffed bumps when the tip of the ski hit a buried bump, the shock of the hit would trigger something and I would be out of the ski and flying like superman. That has never happened with The Pivots. with them I take the absorb the energy with my knees and ski on. It may not be pretty but I am still upright and in my skis. At Alta you will see a lot of the best skiers there skiing a Look or Rossie binding. Thats just my 2 cents worth. Check over at TGR and I think you will also find a lot of support for the Look / Rossie Pivots.
post #14 of 15
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Originally Posted by Utah49
The big Daddy is made for big mountain skiing. They are made for eye watering scary fast skiing in big bowls and the like. I would assume your not going to be using then to to cruise around on groomed runs. One of the on going problems I have with Marker is that they still don't have any travel before releasing. You are in the binding or your out of the binding end of story. A bit of travel before you are out of the binding can make a big
difference. I am also not a fan of solving the release problem by cranking up your Din. My binding of choice for off piste skiing is the old tried and true Look Pivot 10/12 or-14 Just find the one that puts your din in mid range. I have also started to hear some positive feedback on The Tryolia system. At one time I really liked the Salomon Bindings but a few prerelease's in Powder stuffed bumps when the tip of the ski hit a buried bump, the shock of the hit would trigger something and I would be out of the ski and flying like superman. That has never happened with The Pivots. with them I take the absorb the energy with my knees and ski on. It may not be pretty but I am still upright and in my skis. At Alta you will see a lot of the best skiers there skiing a Look or Rossie binding. Thats just my 2 cents worth. Check over at TGR and I think you will also find a lot of support for the Look / Rossie Pivots.
Marker is making a binding that allows for a little play then a reset to overcome this. I have always skiied on Markers and trust them but they know they need to adjust for this problem
post #15 of 15
yes, the look pivot (last made for 04/05 i believe) are great...and the fact that they will allow considerable travel before releasing is a good thing, both in terms of safety and developing strategies for recovering. case in point: i watched a friend appear to come out of his bindings skiing fast through the bumps at OL (i could see a LOT of space growing under his heel!)...and in surreal cartoon fashion, he completed his turn and continued skiing. i was cracking up laughing: ...and i know the outcome was much better for him than tumbling down a steep bump line off the skiis. but when the looks need to release, i find that they certainly do.
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