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Angel Fire, NM

post #1 of 25
Thread Starter 
Anyone been to Angel Fire Resort in new Mexico??

If so what are your thoughts on the mountain and surrounds?

How close is it to Taos?

Any comparasions would be interesting.

Thanks
post #2 of 25
AF is an intermediate ski area that is around 25 miles east of the town of Taos. TSV is an additional 20 miles.

AF is a resort community, being conceived and built as a country club with golf and the ski mountain. The area doesn't get nearly the same amount of snow as TSV. There is a lot of snowmaking.

AF sit in a beautiful valley at 8400' above sea level. Quite scenic. The town of Taos is on the high desert, around 7000' above sea level.

TSV is the place to ski in the area. Steep with abundant snow in most years (not this year though). Base area is over 9000'.

Let me know what else you want to know. I've skied both areas for over 30 years and can probably answer most of your questions.
post #3 of 25
Thread Starter 

New Mexico realty

MJB:

Thanks for the response.

I noticed that there were an abundance of relatively reasonably priced ski on - ski off lots listed on AF realty sites and had to find out what was what.

You confirmed my suspicions that 1)The mtn is very limited and 2) that the snowfall is suspect. After all, why else would the real estate be reasonably priced??

It sounds like Taos Ski Valley is the spot for good snow, good terrain and all season activities.

Do you have any hints as to possible locations, RE listings or promising developments in TSV that are not priced in megabucks?

Appreciating your input,

G
post #4 of 25
If you're looking for a ski house or condo at TSV, be ready to open up the wallet. I saw some development this year on the ski valley road but I didn't pay much attention to it. It would cost less to find an adobe closer to town or even in town. Check out the earthships north of town - those are houses built primarily underground. If you like the desert, there is plenty of desert land to buy for an earthship or an adobe. I haven't checked into water and utilities in the desert north of town.

AF doesn't have the ski mountain like there is at TSV but many people might find it a better place to have a house, especially for living in the area fulltime. In the pines, more remote, pleasant weather, no Wal-Mart, better real estate prices, etc.

This is way too complicated for an internet forum. I have no idea where you're from and my guess is that the culture of NM quite different than what you're used to. You need to spend some time in the place before considering buying real estate. If you like NM, go for it. Don't depend on being able to turn the real estate over in a few years for a huge profit. You may but not as likely as at the mega resorts in Colorado.
post #5 of 25
there is no comparison between Taos and Angel Fire. They are apples and oranges. Taos, no snowboard allowed, which IMO is a bad thing, but some like it. Taos is a real town (small city really) that happens to have a ski area nearby. Angel Fire is a resort community with lots of second home owners. its value is as much as a summer destination as a ski area. mountain bike, fish, golf. lots of Texas and other out of state part timers. Taos is an ex-hippy artist community, some funky, some swanky parts. If you are ok with the short drive up the hill to the ski valley, there are lots of options for housing in or near town. nothing is cheap anywhere these days. Both resorts have spotty snow. some years are epic, some are pretty thin. March is usually a safe bet. But you need to want to come here for more than just the skiing IMO, to justify owning a house here. If you're looking for a small mountain town with good skiing and not yet fully discovered real estate, try some of the smaller ski areas in southern CO.
post #6 of 25
Gotma,

What Mom and MJB said.
I have several friends that have second homes in AF. These freinds use their homes more in summer than in the winter. The ski mountain does lack in annual snowfall as compared to Taos, however AF does have a very good snow-making system. AF is a great learning mountain with tons of greens and blues. If skiing is not #1 priority, and you're looking for a more true mountain area without all the glitz of the larger resorts AF would fit the bill. As MJB stated, the mountain to ski is Taos. A 40min. drive gets you there with good road conditions. Af has spartan support as far as supermarkets and retail outlets. You need to go to Santa Fe for these which is about 1 1/2hours drive.

This said, I still find the enchanted circle of NM one of the most beautiful mountian areas I've been to. The pueblo of Taos, the city of Santa Fe and the Carson park system offers you unlimited options to experience. The arts and culture, the people and the beauty are tops.
post #7 of 25

couple pics

Jamesdeluxe and I did a NM trip December 2002 and enjoyed Angel Fire. No steeps to speak of but some nice skiing, and as has been said, very easy on the eyes. If it matters, I seem to recall AF having a pretty decent terrain park.








photos by jamesdeluxe
post #8 of 25
Cajin, how do you get to the ski mountain in 40 minutes, it takes 20 to drive through town from AF. You can be on the ski mountain in 45 minutes from Red River, but at least you do not have to drive through that mess in town.
post #9 of 25
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Originally Posted by dady8tor
Cajin, how do you get to the ski mountain in 40 minutes, it takes 20 to drive through town from AF. You can be on the ski mountain in 45 minutes from Red River, but at least you do not have to drive through that mess in town.
Oh yeah, the traffic in Taos is darn near as bad as it is in Boston. :
post #10 of 25
there are ways around the traffic, but I'm not telling....
post #11 of 25
I understand and appreciate the sharp biting sarcasm, but I was not talking about the traffic but the 10 miles of red lights every block. I know the loop around the plaza, that saves some time time but, I would appreciate any other alternatives. It took me two years to find that alley, some people call a road from arroyo hondo to arroyo seca.
post #12 of 25
Damn ,you southern fellas are kinda hard on the guy , You come up here and i 'll show you all the shortcuts,as soon as i learn them. I was once a skier in
east Texas and it's like being on an island so far away .
post #13 of 25
I'm about an hour and a half from TSV. Yep, it's a bit of a drive, but it's a beautiful drive. I've never made the drive from angel fire to Taos in bad weather, but I have made my drive (lower altitude) in some pretty rough stuff. The rewards are worth it on a great powder day.

I expect the real problem with owning a second home in Angel Fire is it's fairly remote. Either you fly into ABQ and make a three hour drive, or you load up the family and drive from West Texas etc. Unless you can stay there for extended periods of time it probably isn't worth it. Then again, if you can hang there for six weeks every summer and make a couple of other trips out each year it's probably great if you like a mountain loafing lifestyle. Both the golf and skiing are pretty mediocre. The fishing can be good if you know how to find the sweet spots.

Real Estate values are iffy. Over the last 30 years there have been mini booms and busts which seem to be driven by the health or lack there of of the oil and gas business in southern NM and TX. The chances of buying a place and rolling it over for a huge profit are slim. In fact, if you think you might ever need to recover the equity in your home in a hurry you could take a sound beating.

In short, buying a second home in Angel Fire or Red River is a quality of life decision. If you love it there, then do it. If you're not sure if you'll love it there then spend your money elsewhere. It IS a beautiful part of the world.
post #14 of 25
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Originally Posted by MisterK
In short, buying a second home in Angel Fire or Red River is a quality of life decision. If you love it there, then do it. If you're not sure if you'll love it there then spend your money elsewhere. It IS a beautiful part of the world.
it certainly made a very positive impression on me.

there is also kind of what i'd call a "subdued" vibe that i found very appealing. something understated and calming. in short, it resonated with me in a way i haven't felt anywhere else, at least not where ski country is concerned.

one might describe it as...enchanting.
post #15 of 25
That was the mushrooms.
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post #17 of 25
And, they have world class chamber music in the community center in the summer. Truly, some of the country's best musicians come play at Music from Angel Fire because it serves as a sort of busman's holiday for them. It's great to go there and hear these celebrity musicians play in a small room on folding chairs and then go for bbq their off days.
post #18 of 25

cute pups, too

Taos Dog



Santa Fe Dog



Angel Fire Dog

post #19 of 25
Thread Starter 

New Mexico

Nice images Ryan!

Do you know the average annual snow fall at Taos and Angelfire?

Just curious,
G
post #20 of 25
On the TSV trail map, they claim 312" average annual snowfall. Average hasn't been average as much over the last 10 - 15 years, with some great years and some not so great and with a few that sucked.

AF gets considerably less snow and it is lower in elevation. I would guess that the average is about 150 inches. AF does alot of snowmaking.
post #21 of 25
About 300 inches for Taos. About 200 on average at Angel Fire. That said, it's a boom or bust ski region.
post #22 of 25
FYI. The online version of the local newspaper, the Sangre de Cristo Chronicle, can be found at: www.sangrechronicle.com
post #23 of 25
Thread Starter 

Nm

MJB:

Thanks for the link!
post #24 of 25
Thread Starter 

Snowfall in Taos

Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterK
About 300 inches for Taos. About 200 on average at Angel Fire. That said, it's a boom or bust ski region.
How likely is it to have decent snow for Christmas/New Years break in Taos??
post #25 of 25
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Originally Posted by Gotama
How likely is it to have decent snow for Christmas/New Years break in Taos??
High altitude+snowmaking = skiing at Taos and Angel Fire for x-mas every year. Of course you may only be skiing 20% of the mountain...
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