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post #1 of 17
Thread Starter 
Hi guys,

Just had a look round this site and it looks wicked, so much info and ideas that it makes me wish I had something to ski on apart from dendix!!

I'm hoping to come over to the U.S. instructing for next season (I'm from the U.K. but am NZSIA qualified), but I'm unsure of a few things, if anyone could shed any light on these issues it'd be much appreciated.

I have a basic idea of how the visas work (I think I need H2B?), but does anyone have any experience as an instructor from outside the U.S., how long does it take to sort out? Is it pretty straightforward?

Also, I'm looking to start applying soon, as I'm going to be away all summer. Do you think emailing my CV to ski schools now is a good idea or should I wait until employment details are online?

If anyone has any general tips on which resort to go to/where to live etc, I'd love to hear them

Cheers

Jim
post #2 of 17
Jim

I can't offer any advice on the ease of getting an instructing job, other shere should be able to help more on that. Also if you do a search you will find there have been a number of previous threads on this.

However a couple of points on visa issues as I have some experience in that area.

Important to remember that the visa is applied for by the Employer when he has a job for you (and is also subject to a number of tests such as no US worker being available to do the job, but I won't go into that here) . You can not apply for the visa yourself and then go looking for jobs as it is linked to that employer.

Not familiar with the H2B (Is that the one for seasonal workers?), the more common one is the H1B which is subject to an annual restriction on the numbers issued and the quota in past years has been fully issued by March. Check on the number restrictions on the H2B if that is the correct one.

So, start looking around ASAP to give yourself a chance. Find a potential employer that is willing to sponsor you for a visa and prepared to go through the paperwork and scrutiny involved.

Do not assume it is straightforward but it is not impossible.
post #3 of 17
try same message on www.ski.com.au in moosh forums there are quite a few who work double seasons there and do the summers(northern winters) in USA

You might want to include what Level of NZSIA you have as I believe that reaching ISIA standard makes it easier(?? sometimes??)
post #4 of 17
Thread Starter 
Thanks guys,

I'm NZ stage one qualified, I'll look up that other forum in a bit.

Just found an job advert for Heavenly on the NZSIA site so they'll be first on my email list.

Having done a bit more searching it seems that some schools are more favourable towards foreign instructors than others, does anyone know of any specifically?
post #5 of 17
Winter Park is UK instructor friendly, the NZSIA is treated as a PSIA between levels 1 and 2. The H2B is the one for seasonal workers. H2B's are generally lower on the priority for teaching than US full-time instructors.

That said, pretty much everybody worked every day that they were available.
post #6 of 17
Thread Starter 
Aha!! awesome, the Winter Park site has lots of helpful information on the visas as well (I might look into getting a J1), cheers for that.
post #7 of 17
Hi Jim,
I am a UK instructor working in the USA at Beaver Creek. I am hired each year on H2B visas as are most overseas instructors. Where you choose to apply will depend on certification and how many seasons teaching you have teaching. At BC you need cert 2 PSIA and most importantly 3 seasons teaching these are Immigration regulations for BC. Other resorts are more flexible and I would recommend Keystone Colorado. This resort hires tonnes from NZ as they run the NZ rookie academy there. So if you want to work with tonnes of kiwis, go there!! Apply now at www.skijobs1.com also give resorts a call. Most directors are still working this week so you may just catch them. Best of luck- GO THE BRITS!!!
post #8 of 17
Thread Starter 
Beaver creek, nice!! The couple who examined my NZ quals work there, they said it was a great place to work.

I think Vail resorts look like the company to talk to as they seem to run a lot of resorts and employ H2Bs, just have to hope my NZ1 with 3 weeks experience will be enough!

GO THE BRITS to you to!
post #9 of 17
So you were examined by Tom and Michelle at Coronet peak then!!
post #10 of 17
Thread Starter 
Nope, Mark (Stage 1) and Yo-Yo (CSI), fairly sure they were talking about Beaver Creek.

I think Michelle helped with our training course though, doing a seminar on guest satisfaction.
post #11 of 17
Nice to hear Tom and Michelle are still doing the NZ/US jaunt.
post #12 of 17
Quote:
Originally Posted by lennyblake
Winter Park is UK instructor friendly, the NZSIA is treated as a PSIA between levels 1 and 2. The H2B is the one for seasonal workers. H2B's are generally lower on the priority for teaching than US full-time instructors.

That said, pretty much everybody worked every day that they were available.
what makes you say it's between level I and II? in addition i was surprised by your comment about priority based on a visa.
post #13 of 17
b/c that was what certain instructors with that cert that we both know told me that. (plus being told that by my supervisor).

About the priority, it's second-hand from one of the managers.
post #14 of 17
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rusty Guy
what makes you say it's between level I and II? in addition i was surprised by your comment about priority based on a visa.
Do you think that it compares differently? If so, how?

I hope he was wrong about the priority, but if it's true, I'll just have to live with it!
post #15 of 17
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim.
Do you think that it compares differently? If so, how?

I hope he was wrong about the priority, but if it's true, I'll just have to live with it!
oh i really don't know.....maybe if you have a new zealand supervisor!

how in the world would anyone compare a stage I in one country or system to another I don't know.

the brutal truth. unless your a full cert welcome to the kids center. if and only if you are extremely lucky you may get to teach adults.

which adults?

first timers.

so pick your pleasure. i worked at the adult groups at winter park. level I certs from any system taught beginner classes. level II cert taught beginners who had graduated from our learn to ski program.

i guess it is easiest to think of it in these terms. if you have full cert (PSIA level III) certs on hand are you going to utilize those folks or a lower level cert?
post #16 of 17
Rusty - maybe because ISIA is available with different cert level numbers depending on the country...

eg APSI Level TWO is ISIA but as a PSIA you need level THREE

So in Australia you do not need to be full cert to have ISIA....
post #17 of 17
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rusty Guy
oh i really don't know.....maybe if you have a new zealand supervisor!

how in the world would anyone compare a stage I in one country or system to another I don't know.

the brutal truth. unless your a full cert welcome to the kids center. if and only if you are extremely lucky you may get to teach adults.

which adults?

first timers.

so pick your pleasure. i worked at the adult groups at winter park. level I certs from any system taught beginner classes. level II cert taught beginners who had graduated from our learn to ski program.

i guess it is easiest to think of it in these terms. if you have full cert (PSIA level III) certs on hand are you going to utilize those folks or a lower level cert?
Kids groups are great, as long as I'm in the mountains I'll be happy!

Got some info back from Heavenly, so today I'm gonna start applying:
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