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post #1 of 17
Thread Starter 
What's the correct method for setting the toe height adjustment?

The does the 'backward release' indicator mean, ie red for locked & yellow for active?

My other bindings are Neox's which don't have these adjustments.
post #2 of 17
red = locked
post #3 of 17
Thread Starter 

Sorry, I meant to type 'what does the backward release indicator mean' - what does it do & for what reason?

And why does the edit button disappear so quickly?

post #4 of 17
I guess if you lean back real real hard they release upward. I run them on active and have never come out. I asked on thread here once if anyone had actually done a backwards release and no one came forward with a yes, though I don't think it was discussed much. I run my heels on 10, my toes on 7.5.

And yes, I have seen legs broken over the bootback.
post #5 of 17
On the Race 412 there is no vertical lockout (614 and 1018 only). The switch on the 412 selects between "soft" and "hard" vertical release. I'm assuming the CR412 is the same way. I've only used the 614, which I mostly used unlocked without any problems.
post #6 of 17
I ski 412s and CR 614s. On my 614s one of the bindings will slide right back off the ski when I unlock it instead of stopping at the rear position. So far the binding will stay locked in any of the 5 positions. Is there a screw missing or something I need to adjust?
post #7 of 17
Since you guys appear to be done I am continuing in my hijack of your thread with a bump.

Why does one of the bindings on my CR614s slide right off the back of the ski when I unlock it instead of stopping at the rear position. This has got to have a simple answer. Is there a screw missing or something I need to adjust?
post #8 of 17
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Originally Posted by mudfoot
I ski 412s and CR 614s. On my 614s one of the bindings will slide right back off the ski when I unlock it instead of stopping at the rear position. So far the binding will stay locked in any of the 5 positions. Is there a screw missing or something I need to adjust?
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there is a black plastic tab on the center of the rear of the toe piece track that is the stop for the binding in the track. If this is bent down or broken off you can slide the binding out of the track. This can easily be fixed by ordereing a new toe piece track or just the plastic part of it through an Atomic dealer or if it is just bent down gingerly raise it, but remeber the toepiece must be in front of that tab when you do so!
post #9 of 17
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Originally Posted by spyderjon
What's the correct method for setting the toe height adjustment?

The does the 'backward release' indicator mean, ie red for locked & yellow for active?

My other bindings are Neox's which don't have these adjustments.
to answer your first question, you need a credit card (preferably fairly worn down one or a binding card that or any smooth piece of plastic that is is .5mm thick. Place it under your boot on top of the AFD on the binding and below the toe of your boot and lock your boot in the binding. Now tug hard on the boot to make sure the boot toe is as high as it wil go. Now try to pull the card you placed under the toe of the boot on the AFD out. You should have a fair (quite a bit) of friction on the .5mm card when trying to pull it out , but you should be able to get it out. If it is too easy to get out or too hard. repeat the entire procedure after loosening or tightening the height adjustment screw on the toepiece. I set mine so i need to use quite a bit of force to get it out but it does not bind up and i am able to reinsert the card after removing it, back under the toe but it is tight.

make sure you pull your boot back so the toe is pulled up as far as it will go each time you change the adjustment screw.

You can also crank the screw down with the card under the toe until you cannot pull the card out and slowly increase the toe height (still tugging your boot back a couple of times each time you loosen the screw) until you get the friction you want.
post #10 of 17
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Originally Posted by Atomicman
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there is a black plastic tab on the center of the rear of the toe piece track that is the stop for the binding in the track. If this is bent down or broken off you can slide the binding out of the track. This can easily be fixed by ordereing a new toe piece track or just the plastic part of it through an Atomic dealer or if it is just bent down gingerly raise it, but remeber the toepiece must be in front of that tab when you do so!
Atomicman:

Thanks! The black plastic stop appears to be completely missing on one binding. Apparently broken off and lost when I just had the bindings taken off a pair of skis and mounted on some new ones. If I understand you correctly, I can just order that piece without getting a complete new toe piece track. Is that right? Is it possible to take one off another 614 or 412 and replace it?
post #11 of 17
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Originally Posted by mudfoot
Atomicman:

Thanks! The black plastic stop appears to be completely missing on one binding. Apparently broken off and lost when I just had the bindings taken off a pair of skis and mounted on some new ones. If I understand you correctly, I can just order that piece without getting a complete new toe piece track. Is that right? Is it possible to take one off another 614 or 412 and replace it?
Absolutely, you can take it off another 6.14 or 4.12.

I don't know if you can just order the the plastic part or not, but i know you can order the toe piece track wwith that plastic part. I am going to look around here & see if i have an x-tra i can give you.
post #12 of 17
Sorry, no luck I don't have an x-tra.
post #13 of 17
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Atomicman
to answer your first question, you need a credit card (preferably fairly worn down one or a binding card that or any smooth piece of plastic that is is .5mm thick. Place it under your boot on top of the AFD on the binding and below the toe of your boot and lock your boot in the binding. Now tug hard on the boot to make sure the boot toe is as high as it wil go. Now try to pull the card you placed under the toe of the boot on the AFD out. You should have a fair (quite a bit) of friction on the .5mm card when trying to pull it out , but you should be able to get it out. If it is too easy to get out or too hard. repeat the entire procedure after loosening or tightening the height adjustment screw on the toepiece. I set mine so i need to use quite a bit of force to get it out but it does not bind up and i am able to reinsert the card after removing it, back under the toe but it is tight.

make sure you pull your boot back so the toe is pulled up as far as it will go each time you change the adjustment screw.

You can also crank the screw down with the card under the toe until you cannot pull the card out and slowly increase the toe height (still tugging your boot back a couple of times each time you loosen the screw) until you get the friction you want.
Thanks for that. Comprex had Pm'd me the same info but it's great to have it confirmed. The 412's are now successfully mounted & I'm all ready to go:.
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post #14 of 17
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Originally Posted by Atomicman
Sorry, no luck I don't have an x-tra.
Thanks for the great info! Just one more question, do I need to remove the toe piece rail and remount it to install the replacement part?
post #15 of 17
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Originally Posted by mudfoot
Thanks for the great info! Just one more question, do I need to remove the toe piece rail and remount it to install the replacement part?
YES!
post #16 of 17
Thanks, you are the (atomic) man!
post #17 of 17
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Originally Posted by mudfoot
Thanks, you are the (atomic) man!
Happy to help!
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