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post #1 of 27
Thread Starter 
Looking for feedback on this ski.

I ski the L8000s in 184 cm. I am 6'4" and 240lbs. 7/8 skier mostly skiiing PNW (Baker), and a once a year trip to CO for lighter powder. Tend to avoid mogul fields, but growing to like the steeps and tighter spaces.

I love the L8000s, but sometimes in the heavier crud we get around here, I found the L8s get a bit of chatter in them and feel I could use more stiffness (remember my weight) and more float.

Someone suggested the LPs, saying they had the general feel of the L8s, but stiffer -- more like a GS version. Would folks agree with this? it's also 600 grams heavier than the L8 (at least for the 186 and 184, respectively), but then the L8s are vey light for the ski.

thanks
David
post #2 of 27
Several peeps at TGR ride these - maybe crosspost your request there.
post #3 of 27
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by PowHog
Several peeps at TGR ride these - maybe crosspost your request there.
thanks, good idea. and I'll remember to post it in the gear forum
post #4 of 27
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Originally Posted by tetsuma
and I'll remember to post it in the gear forum
That's an even better (or should I say safer) idea!
post #5 of 27
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by PowHog
That's an even better (or should I say safer) idea!
I still got jonged -- for considering the 186s over the 194s. Needed to step up and be a man!
post #6 of 27
You’re going to get the same responses from the same people on either site.
I did not post on the TGR thread. I ride 194 LP's I used to ride 186 LP's

194's Ski VERY BIG 186's slay the whole mountain.

Give the 186's a try. They will feel like twice the ski you have now.

You may also want to consider, the 189 Rossi Squads
188 Titan 9's or the Titan Pro.
188 (Stiff or Very Stiff BRO's (Feel Good versatile ski)

I hope you were being modest with the level 7/8 skiing. Cuz none of these skis go there. You need to know what you’re doing to ski any of the skis listed above.

Good luck on your quest for a big mountain ski.
post #7 of 27
I am told that the Lp's are not for mere mortals. You certainly have the size for the ski but to go from the 8's to the pros is a big jump. The 8800's would be the next logical step.
post #8 of 27
Alfonce, thats not really true. You just have to be a strong skier with solid skills. With his weight and hight he needs to be on a stiffer longer ski. An LP to him would feel like an 8000 to you. I just don't think he needs to go up to the 194 to get what he's looking for. The 194 would give him better float in pwder but a 34M turn radius is a 34M turn radius.
But I could be wrong.

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Originally Posted by Alfonse
I am told that the Lp's are not for mere mortals. You certainly have the size for the ski but to go from the 8's to the pros is a big jump. The 8800's would be the next logical step.
post #9 of 27
Mike, really respect what you have to say about the LPs. Baker skis like a really big open mountain. I think the decision on the shorter or longer length really comes down to Tetsuma's confidence in his skills, and overall speed. At a 194, it would seem to be very much a straightline ski. Either length should slay crud, and the shorter length would feel more controllable in shorter turns. I suspect with solid skills, he can bend the long ski, but I defer to your opinion since you used them this year.

Do you know if the XXL is the same for next year, or have they changed it?
post #10 of 27
Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsuma
I still got jonged -- for considering the 186s over the 194s. Needed to step up and be a man!
Ball size is all that matters over there!
post #11 of 27
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by PowHog
Ball size is all that matters over there!
Yeah, my reply to the JONG was that women loved my size 14 feet!
post #12 of 27
At 240 lbs, I think you should get the longer pros. I know you said you might want to get into tighter places, but come on; it's 194 cm, not 215.

No. I haven't skied the Legend Pros, though I might. Someone please tell me how they compare to antique 208 Kästle National Team SGs.
post #13 of 27
First of all...I live in Seattle and ski 186 LP's, but I only weigh 180 lbs. They are for charging and are a very demanding ski...basically all the ski you'll ever need.

Now that we have that out of the way, I gotta know...you ever been on something bigger and wider (in the waist) than your L8000's? I suppose that would be a good all-mtn. ski for less than deep days, but I can see why it feels lacking on deeper days or in PNW Cascade Concrete.

My unsolicited two cents are as follows...try some stuff other than LP's. Chances are you'll like something else better.
post #14 of 27
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Originally Posted by Bandit Man
First of all...I live in Seattle and ski 186 LP's, but I only weigh 180 lbs. They are for charging and are a very demanding ski...basically all the ski you'll ever need.

Now that we have that out of the way, I gotta know...you ever been on something bigger and wider (in the waist) than your L8000's? I suppose that would be a good all-mtn. ski for less than deep days, but I can see why it feels lacking on deeper days or in PNW Cascade Concrete.

My unsolicited two cents are as follows...try some stuff other than LP's. Chances are you'll like something else better.
I agree...I think testuma can handle the 186 fine but I don't think he'll get the deep snow performance out of it he is looking for...and the 194 is just too much (Same with the titan pro)...

I'm thinking 193 Head Mojo 90 (Mad Trix Mojo) or 194 B4 (size?) or

THESE!!!

http://www.backcountryoutlet.com/out...lpine-Ski.html
post #15 of 27
X10000% -- best pure powder ski I've ever skied. Ever. Really.

Caveat: they suck on bumps, don't hold an edge well on hardpack (they have the usual Salomon edge hold)

If this is your first fat ski, pass on both the swallowtails and the Legend Pro, and buy the Apache Chiefs that ptex has for sale through his Montana shop. Very fun ski in powder and even hardpack; goes through soft crud acceptably, but deflects in hard choppy crud, as will anything that isn't a big stiff tank of a ski.
post #16 of 27
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Originally Posted by El Chupacabra
If this is your first fat ski, pass on both the swallowtails and the Legend Pro, and buy the Apache Chiefs that ptex has for sale through his Montana shop. Very fun ski in powder and even hardpack; goes through soft crud acceptably, but deflects in hard choppy crud, as will anything that isn't a big stiff tank of a ski.
Yup...that'll do too....get the 188s for sure!! $300 shipped is a steal...
post #17 of 27
Thread Starter 
The chiefs are an interesting suggestion. I looked at them a year ago, and liked them. Can't remember what about them got me or didn't, but my memory is overall I liked them. Hmmmm.

I demoed the B3s or B4s last year --- don;t remember which -- and found it floppy. I think it was the B3, but not 100% sure.

$300 is a good price, definitely, for the chiefs. I'll go to a local shop and feel them up.
thanks everyone!
D
post #18 of 27
I replied over at TGR (i was the one who told you to man up to the 194s) but heres a couple more cents.

I'm 5'9'' and 165 and I find the 186s not to be too much ski. While there are certainly skis that would be easier for me to ski day-to-day (they're my 1 ski quiver) and especially skis that would be easier to ski when I'm dead tired after a day of sidestepping (LPs are heavy, they're a great ski. They'll blast through quite literally anything in your way once your realize that in heavy chopped up mogully fields you just have to point em down, speed up to waaaaaaaaaay faster than you think you should be going - the way you'd ski fast on a groomer - and hang on as they punch through everything. They're a great ride if you're willing to put in the effort.

That said, I still think you should go for the 194s at your size given the added fore-aft stability at the type of speeds LPs require to come alive.
post #19 of 27
Thread Starter 
Got another ski suggested, which I know little about. The Fischer Atua. From looking at it, I get the sense it's more a pow ski than a crud buster, and isn't going to give me much more stiffness than the L8s. In fact, I get the sense they are like a wider L8000.
post #20 of 27
There are a whole lot of really good BIG skis out there. About anything works very well in light fluffy "ego powder" The one you choose should reflect your agressiveness level when you are in steep, deep, broken snow with some obstacles (like cliffs and trees) thrown in.

The stiffest most agressive skis will require that you charge pretty hard and fast when you are in those conditions. The big dogs will not suffer indecisive turn intiation, leaning into the hill, or hesitations when getting into the tight spots. If you don't ski them confidently, they just don't turn.

Yes, I know you are heavy and that is a factor for sure. However, realistically, a level 7-8 skier is probably not really attacking the extra gnarly terrain.

I'm not telling you what to do, and I'm not necessarily suggesting that you not get the LP or the BSquad. However, you might consider a long wide ski that is a little softer than the most agressive models out there.

To be honest, I feel that when you are skiing potentially dangerous terrain, you should be on a ski that you know for sure will turn exactly when you want it to, instead of one that you hope will come around if you do everything just right.

SJ
post #21 of 27
I haven't skied the LPs, but I do know they were made to be skied like a race ski in varibale conditions. They're a beefy ski as most people have alluded to in this thread. If you are a Dynastar man I would highly, highly recommend the Big Troubles. They're 92mm underfoot, come in a 186, and they have that classic Dynastar feel that has made the 8000s a classic. I've skied them personally, and know about 10 others who have tried/own them. All of us have unamiously said they're one of the 2 or 3 best skis we have ever skied. And that's in 176. I also ski in the PNW, so I know what you're looking for. The BT's would be a much more forgiving option, and they're quite a bit cheaper too.
post #22 of 27
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Originally Posted by Pilazzo
I haven't skied the LPs, but I do know they were made to be skied like a race ski in varibale conditions. They're a beefy ski as most people have alluded to in this thread. If you are a Dynastar man I would highly, highly recommend the Big Troubles. They're 92mm underfoot, come in a 186, and they have that classic Dynastar feel that has made the 8000s a classic. I've skied them personally, and know about 10 others who have tried/own them. All of us have unamiously said they're one of the 2 or 3 best skis we have ever skied. And that's in 176. I also ski in the PNW, so I know what you're looking for. The BT's would be a much more forgiving option, and they're quite a bit cheaper too.
Thanks Pilazzo. Curious how much do you weigh and how tall are you? Also, how did you mount them -- on the line or back a bit? I'm wondering how they do in clean pow? Also, how were they at initiating turns?

I hadn/t tnought of them, but they do look good. thanks!
post #23 of 27

Legend pros

I have had a pair of 184 cm Legend Pro Riders for about three months now. I am 5' 11" and 200 lbs and am a level 8 or 9 skier. These are the best skis I have ever owned, period. As you would expect, they rock in powder and on off-piste terrain. On true powder days (i.e., seven inches or more of powder), these skis are very quick and turn on a dime. They are light, lively and very, very stable. They cut through crud like it's not there, but also turn surprisingly well, despite their size. They are good for jumps and aerials because they seem to absorb a lot of impact on landing (fewer hard landings). They are NOT good in moguls, and in tight trees when you're not skiing powder or corn they can be a lot to handle. They do fine on hardpack steeps so long as you can set an edge; they are not good on ice. My other skis are Atomic Metron B5s, which I have skied on for two years now. Now I am considering switching to Dynastar Contact Limited skis for non-powder days and hard-pck conditions (I owned a pair of Dynastar Speed Cross skis back in 2002 and really liked them). I would say that you would be fine with either length of Legend Pros. Given your height, weight and ability, you'd probably be better off going with the 184 cm length. They'lll probably be fat enough and long enough for you to float. Or you could go with the longer size -- you'll do just fine with them and flotation will be better. Don't let anyone scare you off from these skis. As long as you are a solid, strong skier you'll be able to handle them just fine. Once you ski them on a powder day you'll never regret having bought them.
post #24 of 27
186 or 194
post #25 of 27

Legend Pros

You're right on the sizes -- I have 186s.
post #26 of 27
i have a pair of 186 lp's, im 150 lbs. they're hands down the best ski i've ever skiied, and i've owned a bair of b4's that some suggested. i could never go back. i find them very easy to ski, they're a little work in the bumps and they're noticably heavy but thats it. besides that they are tanks, they carve better than any 'fat' ski i've ever been on, they do short turns well, they love high speed super g turns on any kind of terrain and they're great for straightlining and stomping. i don't find them taxing like some have mentionned though, but i ski a lot.

you weigh 240 pounds, if you know how to ski and like to ski fast on and off piste, get the 194's or the 189/194 squads. if you're not sure you should be able to find demo squads somewhere.. a guy your size should not be on a 186 lp, if the 194 is too much ski for you, find a softer ski not a shorter one.
post #27 of 27
yeah tetsuma,

I only weight about 145 lbs. Forgot to factor that in. If you weigh 240, then the lp is probably the better choice than the big trouble. However, the BT would be plenty of ski. They rip in all conditions. Great in deep pow. I skied them center mounted, and little bit back. I definitely liked them mounted a bit back more. Turn initiation was great. Honestly, I thought they skied quite a bit like the 8000s, but much better in deep snow, and a little more lively.
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