Originally Posted by D(C)
Can any of you guys tell me how the Fischers ski? I have yet to find a good review of them... What other skis would you compare them to? Do they feel damp and smooth like an Atomic GS11 WC or stiff and metallic like a Volkl P60? Do they feel relatively long and stiff on flats?
D(C) most of my experience with the Fischers is from an 02-03 set. 156SL and 183GS. This winter I added a pair of 161SL with the plastic tips when my coach offered to sell them. I haven't skied Atomics at all. Have a bit of experience with Volkls but only with the 6 stars.
I would not call the Fischers a very damp ski. They are extremely precise which you expect from a race ski - but also have alot of feedback from the snow surface. Within their precision they are not at all unpredictable. They are always right where you put them no surprises. Yet they will follow your efforts up the scale - that is the more radical an edge angle you use the more they respond accordingly like that is what they are made for.
One element you hear about the Fischer WC is that they are a very burly ski, alot of ski to handle etc. I don't find this to be true at all. If anything they seem very forgiving and easy to ski to me. However one of the guys I race with described them as being too much ski for him and not forgiving enough. He actually showed me how you can remove the middle piece of the plate to allow the ski to flex easier. Of course I had no intention of trying that but it is a point of interest. The catch is that the guy who told me all this races in my class and is a whole lot faster than me so
I only used the new 161s for an afternoon running SL so far and they were great. Seemed to ski very much like the 156s. Yet if I really skied the 156s for an hour then switched to the 161s differences would probably become apparent. The day I used them I was coming off a pair of 165 Rossis so was not able to draw those distinctions since they were night and day different from the Rossi which is very damp yet has its own unique turning nuances.
One thing missing on the 156s is some sort of reinforcement around the tip and I have whacked them pretty hard with the SPMs taking a chunk out of the top sheet. No delaminations - yet but I fear it is just a matter of time.
Several other guys on my team have gotten the RC thinking that they want that tighter radius for Masters GS and also thinking the full on WC is too burly. I just don't agree with that at all but keep my mouth shut since that is why we have a coach. Our coach BTW is a Fischer rep
I used to use the 183s for freeskiing but now usually use the Rossi 165 SLs or a pair of the Six Stars. The 183s were a real good all mountain ski I thought - even decent in powder or moguls.
One of the problems I have in GS is getting hung up on the chatter marks coming out of the gate where I need to get off the edge and get into the next turn. To me a ski with alot of feedback exacerbates that problem. I find it easier to make that transition with a damper ski or a ski with a big ass damp plate on it. My coach will say it is a matter of getting a bigger angle on the edge with the ski out away from the bod so you slice through the chatter area but I find that very hard to do physically. This may be a problem where I am still being held back by my old fossilized technique.
: from the dark ages of hickory and long thongs.
This probably doesn't qualify as a very good review but it is what I know so far. Anyway I took a stab at it and hope it helps. Maybe somebody else can chime in here who uses the Fisch.