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post #1 of 20
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I am thinking of buying these skis. I ski 50%+ on groomed but do venture into powder/crud/off-piste 20-25% of the time. Any thoughts on if these skis will work reasonably well in the small amount of off-groomed conditions I ski in?

Thanks for your comments.
post #2 of 20
Off-piste 25% of the time? Why wouldn't you want something a little more all mountain? AC3 or AC4? Heck, even the Allstar, which is a little more forgiving then the 5 Star may suit you better.
post #3 of 20
The 5* will power through the crud and skis well on the groomed, but ditto on what Ullr said. If you're spending that much time off-piste look at any of the Vertigo/AC series instead.
post #4 of 20

5 Star

I have owned both the 5 Star and the Allstar. The former is a little more forgiving off piste. Both are great however. The advantage of the 5 Star and the Allstar is that the on-piste performance is thrilling, while the off-piste performance is very good. I prefer that to something which is merely very good all round.

As usual, a test is the best way to resolve matters.
post #5 of 20
I'm with Mogul - I spend a lot of my time off piste and recently picked up Allstars. On groomers they are amazing; off piste they're very good in my book. Not floaty like a fat ski but very predictable and workable. In the bumps you do need to stay on top of things...

Not saying the Vertigo or AC series aren't great 'cause I haven't skied them and I expect they are. Just saying the Allstar is surprisingly versatile if you want to err on the side of terrific on-piste performance.
post #6 of 20
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Originally Posted by DJMingus
I'm with Mogul - I spend a lot of my time off piste and recently picked up Allstars. On groomers they are amazing; off piste they're very good in my book. Not floaty like a fat ski but very predictable and workable. In the bumps you do need to stay on top of things...

Not saying the Vertigo or AC series aren't great 'cause I haven't skied them and I expect they are. Just saying the Allstar is surprisingly versatile if you want to err on the side of terrific on-piste performance.
I agree. Allstars are GREAT on-piste. The carve is tight and reliable. I have demoed 5 stars on/off piste and find the allstar the better performer. It may only be due to the minimal-yet-true extra square cm's of float. They are stiffer than the 5 stars and that works for me in the powder. Some like less stiffness in the powder and may find the 5 star better. All this said, if you spend 25%+ off piste/powder...why not invest in a powder/all mountain ski?
post #7 of 20
Get yourself a quiver. I have a pair of g3's I have been using for a couple of years, and just bought a pair of 5 Stars on Tuesday. Since I live in the east and have family so I spend most time on groomed terrain. I have gone out west and my g3's could get through deeper stuff ok, but they are not great in it. I'll add a powder ski before my next trip out west (07 - 08). After that my g3's will be ready to be rock ski's and I'll get a new pair of all mountains.
post #8 of 20
Of all the skis mentioned, go for the best price. All will perform better at certain things and worse at others. I would go for the allstars for one ski because you spend most of your time on piste where the allstar is unmatched, and performs well at most other things. But, if I could get allstars for say 600.00 or 5*'s for 300.00 I'd go 5*.
Or if money is no object go for ac3 2007 which I hear is the "best ski Volkl has ever made"
post #9 of 20
The 2006-07 Ac3's will have the iPT binding which is big improvement over the regular motion rails and one of the reasons why the current Allstar is such a great ski. Anyone find it interesting that Elan has been using an internal rail system all these years and that Volkl is just now adopting it?
Regarding your question, since you spend most of your time on groomed, stick with a ski that is great on groomed and just good off-piste as opposed to a ski that is a jack of all trades.
While the Ac3 or Ac4 are nice skis, on groomed runs they don't compare to the thrill you'll get on the Allstar or 5 stars.
post #10 of 20
No, for a one-ski quiver there are more versatile skis. Dynastar 8000 and Völkl AC4/3 is a better choice. In the end, you would need AT LEAST a two-ski quiver (an ice/groomers ski and a mid-fat for spring and offpiste). If you are serious about powder you will add that third ski afterwards. Then you might want to try multi-day touring....
post #11 of 20
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Originally Posted by supdog42
I am thinking of buying these skis. I ski 50%+ on groomed but do venture into powder/crud/off-piste 20-25% of the time. Any thoughts on if these skis will work reasonably well in the small amount of off-groomed conditions I ski in? Thanks for your comments.
I ski the Volkl 5 star most of the time here on the east coast where I live. I also ski about 7 to 10 days a year out west on AC4s (170cm length, 82mm waist) and a Rossi B3 (178cm length and 95mm waist) ski. If there is any fresh new snow I take out the Volk AC4s in 170cm which has an awesome turning radius for a midfat. The AC4 is just great fun ski that you can truly enjoy. I have skied the Volk 6 star and Allstar and find it significantly harder to ski then the 5 star. For waist deep powder days I have a fat 95mm ski but you got to ask yourself how often does that happen? I have skied the 5 star in over the knee powder and lets just say that ski is not designed to ski in deep over the knee powder. The Volk AC4 on the hand does it all. That said for over the knee powder I personally enjoy the fun you can have on a fat 95+mm ski .

Given you are skiing out west from what your profile says, for a one quiver ski on both groomers and off-piste, I would recommend the amazing Volkl AC4 in a not too long length with an amazing turning short turning radius for groomers and 82mm waist for off-piste. The Volkl 5 star and Allstar is too narrow at the waist for off-piste out west.
post #12 of 20
Some thoughts...(assuming below..you're a 50/50 skier...though your #'s show 75%..etc.) not sure...

Five Star=Groomer Ski, if you're truly looking at doing a 50/50 combo of skiing, there are so, so, so many skis out that are far better suited. Demo'd this ski and yes, last year, they built it up with the beefier edges, which really helps. A bit heavier ski..as well...with the Marker system..I am 6', 200lbs..level 8 and the 175 held me at any speed on the groomed..nice tight radius...close to a salom race set up,,,but definetly a GS feel at speed. Still not a race stick though.

(Never skied the all star..suprised to hear from some here that it is softer than the 5 star...I was always thinking it was stiffer than the 5 star)

Don't get me wrong 5 star is a fantastic ski for that application.

5 star wonderfull for groomed arc's, with exacting percision, however lack luster off piste, compared to many of today's 50/50 ski's.

AC4, Recon, 8800....are one's I have skied and found to have more balance for the 50/50 skier vs. the 5 star.

As for pow and crud..I'm sure they will do...but so would straight skis.....GET SOME FATTIES, buy a quiver and hide um from your wife/other, like many of us do...... Good luck.



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Originally Posted by supdog42
I am thinking of buying these skis. I ski 50%+ on groomed but do venture into powder/crud/off-piste 20-25% of the time. Any thoughts on if these skis will work reasonably well in the small amount of off-groomed conditions I ski in?

Thanks for your comments.
post #13 of 20
Thread Starter 

Decided on the Allstar

Thanks for all the great comments! I was able to demo the Allstar 161cm on 4.19 at Mammoth. I'm 5' 7" and 148 lbs. and felt this length was just right. What a phenomenal ride--riding on rails all day and pretty good in the bit of crud I encountered. In the end, I just bought a pair ('05-'06) on Ebay for $511 including the IPT bindings w/pcos.

As I can see though that a two ski Quiver would be better, I am now searching for the off-piste companion to the Allstar. Maybe the AC4 is the ticket.
post #14 of 20
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Originally Posted by supdog42
Thanks for all the great comments! I was able to demo the Allstar 161cm on 4.19 at Mammoth. I'm 5' 7" and 148 lbs. and felt this length was just right. What a phenomenal ride--riding on rails all day and pretty good in the bit of crud I encountered. In the end, I just bought a pair ('05-'06) on Ebay for $511 including the IPT bindings w/pcos.

As I can see though that a two ski Quiver would be better, I am now searching for the off-piste companion to the Allstar. Maybe the AC4 is the ticket.
My thoughts exactly, sort of.

In Utah a few weeks ago (has it been THAT LONG?), I found that in spring conditions, the 161 cm Allstars worked fine, while the wider and longer 170 cm Head iM Monster 77 Chips worked better and were more fun. I'm considering going to the AC4, which are wider yet than the 77.
post #15 of 20
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Originally Posted by supdog42
Thanks for all the great comments! I was able to demo the Allstar 161cm on 4.19 at Mammoth. I'm 5' 7" and 148 lbs. and felt this length was just right. What a phenomenal ride--riding on rails all day and pretty good in the bit of crud I encountered. In the end, I just bought a pair ('05-'06) on Ebay for $511 including the IPT bindings w/pcos.

As I can see though that a two ski Quiver would be better, I am now searching for the off-piste companion to the Allstar. Maybe the AC4 is the ticket.
i have been told repeatedly the mantra is a great compliment for the allstar. i intend to demo next year and if i see a good deal i am going for it this off season. the ac 4 is not differant enough. the mantra is wider and the ac4 overlaps the allstar as far as similar characteristics
post #16 of 20
Thread Starter 

Allstar in 161cm, AC4/Mantra in ???

Good point about the overlap. In addition, I'm thinking that 161cm for the groomed feels right but for off-piste/crud/pow a bit more stability woould be in order. Anyone think that 163cm AC4 etc. would be too short? I'm thinking 170cm.
post #17 of 20
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Originally Posted by supdog42
Thanks for all the great comments! I was able to demo the Allstar 161cm on 4.19 at Mammoth. In the end, I just bought a pair ('05-'06) on Ebay for $511 including the IPT bindings w/pcos.
Great choice, that is my ice/groomers machine. You won't regret. Phenomenal edge holding!

Now you need a mid-fat. Don't exclude the Legend 8000 in your decision, a favorite choice among many around here.

Powder, AT, Big Mountain, Rock skis, etc. will come later. This quiver thing never ends.....
post #18 of 20
Ac4 , similar to what you have 163 would be ok , mantra would run a little bigger it has twin tips.
post #19 of 20
2nd what GarryZ says. In fact, I've found that the Mantra has become what I like to ski almost every day and now I'm looking for something wider. Then again, I'm really not skiing groomed much anymore...
post #20 of 20
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by GarryZ
i have been told repeatedly the mantra is a great compliment for the allstar. i intend to demo next year and if i see a good deal i am going for it this off season. the ac 4 is not differant enough. the mantra is wider and the ac4 overlaps the allstar as far as similar characteristics
After reading many posts in this forum, I would agree with you on the Mantra. Looks like I'll have a two ski quiver for next season:

Allstar in 161 cm and Mantra in 170 cm.


Thanks for all the support.
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