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post #1 of 43
Thread Starter 
My son is 16, 5'6", 115 lbs. Fairly aggressive skier, probably a level 6-7? He's currently on some Rossi Cobra X's which he likes, but does struggle a bit with them off piste. He skis about 80% off piste, and our home mountain is Whistler.

I'm looking to sell off the Cobra's and get him something a little fatter. The ski's I've been considering for him are 1080's or bandit xx's because I can get a deal on those right now. I know the 2 skis extreme opposites. But I'd be interested in hearing from others who have teenagers on any these to see what might be the better choice.
post #2 of 43
well, first of all they aren't extreme opposites. the 1080 is just made for the park and the pow, where the xx is not really a park ski. my personal recomendation would be to get the 1080, since it is more versatile, fatter, and it looks cooler(which will make him happier)

BoB
post #3 of 43
Quote:
Originally posted by wizard:
My son is 16, 5'6", 115 lbs.
Please buy him a sandwich!
post #4 of 43
My son is about the same- 15 years old, 5'4", only 90 lbs. He demo'ed the XX last year but chose the Volant Vertex 71 instead, in 150cm length.

[ September 22, 2003, 08:50 PM: Message edited by: dp ]
post #5 of 43
He have small feet, dp?
post #6 of 43
Actually, no- he wears a men's 8 or 8 1/2 and I think 25.5 or 26 mondo point boots. We did have a bit of trouble finding boots, since he is in adult shoe sizes, but is clearly not big enough in terms of muscle mass and weight to flex an advanced adult boot. We found, however, that the Salomon kids race boot is made up to size 27.5. It is a much softer version of their adult race boot, including the same all metal buckles, and it fits him really well, and offers great performance. Regular price $350, we got them on sale last season for only $99!! Highly recommended.
post #7 of 43
Quote:
Originally posted by dp:
My son is about the same- 15 years old, 5'4", only 90 lbs. He demo'ed the XX last year but chose the Volant Vertex 71 instead, in 15cm length.
I beleive he was refering to the rather humorous typo of "in 15cm length" which just the thought of that makes me chuckle.

BoB
post #8 of 43
Holy Crap!! You're buying you're kid's skis? Lucky kid!
post #9 of 43
OK, OK, now I get it :
(I edited it so I don't look so stupid)

[ September 22, 2003, 08:51 PM: Message edited by: dp ]
post #10 of 43
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally posted by Damato:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by wizard:
My son is 16, 5'6", 115 lbs.
Please buy him a sandwich!</font>[/quote]Hehhehe... He eats like a horse, but never seems to put on any weight. I wish I could be the same

I was going to hold off getting new skis for him, but he's pretty much out grown his Cobra's. I tried to hand down my old Atomic 9.22's to him, but he doesn't like them (a boring nothing special ski according to him).
post #11 of 43
We need more info here. Is he ripping up the powder, hucking cliffs and bombing chutes, or is his off-piste more pedestrian? Does he do flippy-spinnys? Can he carve a clean line, and more importantly is that what he's buying these skis for? Bumps? Speed? Who is he und vat does he do?
post #12 of 43
Quote:
Originally posted by dp:
...We did have a bit of trouble finding boots, since he is in adult shoe sizes, but is clearly not big enough in terms of muscle mass and weight to flex an advanced adult boot. We found, however, that the Salomon kids race boot is made up to size 27.5. It is a much softer version of their adult race boot, including the same all metal buckles, and it fits him really well, and offers great performance. Regular price $350, we got them on sale last season for only $99!! Highly recommended.
DP's recommendation for a boot appropriately soft for light weight kids with big feet is even more important when they are off the groomed, and really need to be able to flex at the ankles. After much searching I put my daughter (a couple of years behind your son) into the same boots and they made an immediate improvement in her skiing, especially when off the groomers. I'm jealous about the $99 price you found. After he grows out of them, can I buy them off of you ?

Back to the main topic, the question of skis... Harry's question is right on the mark. FWIW, in the case of my daughter (just turned 11 - only 75 lbs), she is at the pedestrian end of the spectrum (ie, spins but no flips, 3 foot drops - no cliffs, really good in powder and crud, can carve a pretty clean line, etc). She is on 140 Enemies (75 mm underfoot, about 12 meter sidecut), and loves them. They can often be found at very good prices.

Tom / PM
post #13 of 43
I've just gone through the process of finding some fat skis for my daughter who s 5'4" and weighs 125; made more difficult because we're on a real limited budget. I'd recommend checking out www.evogear.com because they have AK Launchers in 165 cm in the mid $200- mid $300 range (used w/ Salomon bindings) as well as lots of other deals. We were looking for 150's so ended up buying some skis from mtnlion (you might try PM'ing him) Hope this helps.
post #14 of 43
Go with the 1080's they're a really cool and versatile ski. And go 10 cm longer than you care to, he's a growing boy. I'd say buy them level with the top of his head (170 cm.?)

These skis can do just about everything, and teenagers dig 'em.
post #15 of 43
My grom's a little younger and shorter, 12 and 5'4". I think that I am going with the 151 1080's. He also had the Salomon course T's last year, great boot, but too small this year.
post #16 of 43
The 1080 is more than a park ski. While it sucks on ice it is fun on groomed snow and a great off-piste ski (unless you bomb chutes at 50 mph). Get the kid the 1080s and try not to borrow them too often.
post #17 of 43
Try the K2 Enemy (it may be renamed for 2003-4) before you buy the 1080. Another twin tip but I use it 90% outside the park and love it. A lot cheaper too than the 1080.
post #18 of 43
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Originally posted by Llama:
Try the K2 Enemy (it may be renamed for 2003-4) before you buy the 1080. Another twin tip but I use it 90% outside the park and love it. A lot cheaper too than the 1080.
Curious, I'm considering a twin tip and I'd like to know if you've skied the 1080 AND the Enemy and have a comparison based opinion.

Also, do you know what the tip-waist-tail measurements are on the K2?
post #19 of 43
Quote:
Originally posted by Xdog:
Curious, I'm considering a twin tip and I'd like to know if you've skied the 1080 AND the Enemy and have a comparison based opinion...Also, do you know what the tip-waist-tail measurements are on the K2?
My kid's 2001-2002 140 cm Enemy is 109-73-97 (measured). That comes out to a 12.6 meter sidecut radius. My 173 Enemy has almost exactly the same sidecut dimensions, but the longer length puts it around 19.3 meter radius.

I haven't skied the 1080, but everything that I have heard sez that the older 1080's were substantially softer than the Enemies. Supposedly, they stiffened them up over the years, but I don't know how much.

Tom / PM
post #20 of 43
Thread Starter 
I'll check around locally and see if anyone has the K2 Enemies. The newer 1080's are still quite soft, but then my son is only 115 lbs, so that should be a big deal. We'll see what kind of a deal we can get on either. My main concern on the 1080's is durability, but maybe that isnt an issue with a light weight skier.

The local ski swap is coming up this weekend, so it will be interesting to see what turns up there also
post #21 of 43
X Dog - unfortunately I've haven't skied the 1080 yet, so I cannot offer anything in terms of comparison.

My Enemies have held up nicely over two years of hard skiing, and have survived me destroying a few tele bindings in the process. I had frankly expected less durabilty out of them, so I've been pleasently surprised.

I recently picked up a second pair from a shop in NH for $200 as they were last year's model. I'm very happy with the price on them.
post #22 of 43
> ... I had frankly expected less durabilty out of them, so I've been pleasently surprised...

This is my experience as well. From everything I have heard (ie, users, k2 reps, shop rats, etc.), I think that almost all of the problems with tip delamination that were reported came from people who repeatedly slapped them hard onto the snow when landing (park, pipe, hucking, etc.). This subjects skis to enormous shock loadings.

Tom / PM
post #23 of 43
This is MammothCruzer's son. I am 16 and I have skied both the enemy and the 1080.
The enemy is much more lively... more rebound out of the turn. It is a little stiffer, and i think it is more fun. It doesn't get beat up skiing gs turns in crud. The dimensions are 109 75 97.

The 1080 is a fun ski, but it was a little soft for my liking. It was stable and carvable but it would be more fun in powder than on groomers. The 1080 is designed as more of a park specific ski than the enemy.

The name of the enemy isn't changing for the new season, but the ski is no longer being made. The new ski is the public enemy, which is comparable to the enemy in the fact that it was designed not to be a park specific ski, but more of an all mountain ski. It was built with double thick edges and double thick ptex, so if you are grinding it down on rails or hitting hidden rocks you have a longer ski life. The dimensions are 112/80/103

I would go with the public enemy... a sort of enemy on steroids... but that's up to you.

[ October 01, 2003, 05:08 PM: Message edited by: MammothCruzer ]
post #24 of 43
Great info, thanks.

One thing puzzles me though, I've seen that Public Enemy in my ski shop since the middle of the '02 season, and from what I'm reading here, it seems to be a new ski. The ski is mostly white, with like a riot scene graphic. does this make sense?

I'm probably gonna pick 'em up during the Columbus day weekend sale.
post #25 of 43
I didn't read all the post. If he struggles at level 6-7, at Whistler(lucky you guy's) why don't you give him some lessons so he can move up to a level 8-9 and really enjoy all Whistler-Blackcomb has to offer. You guy's are lucky to call that home.

Want to trade home's????

You should put him on one of the skis with a 70-77cm waist and find some used or left over pocket rockets, for the powder day's.

Want to trade home's???
post #26 of 43
Go for the 1080's they'll hold up better than the Enemies.
post #27 of 43
Quote:
Originally posted by Lars:
Go for the 1080's they'll hold up better than the Enemies.
Lars, I'm curious. Is your statement based on the experiences of jibbers and huckers who whacked their Enemies hard in landings, or have you also heard problems from people whose feet don't tend to leave the ground . Take a look at the comments Llama and I made about 2/3rds the way down the first page of this thread.

Tom / PM
post #28 of 43
The Public Ememy was a Mid season release last year.
post #29 of 43
I don't know about these skis in particular, but K2s have a reputation of poor construction. I've seen them come apart. Usually de-lam and things like that. Yeah, the people were goofing around, but every other ski seemed to hold up to the same abuse that did in the K2s.
post #30 of 43
My kids and their friends have been using twin-tips as their primary skis now for 5 years. They use them mainly as all-mountain skis. They have tried numerous brands & models and the 1080s have held up way better than any of the other model.
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