Originally Posted by therusty
Actually, the depth of the powder that it takes to cause powder rookies to start sitting back varies quite a bit depending on their turning abilitity, the percent water content of the powder and the slope pitch. Most people start doing it before submarining becomes a problem.
Is submarining a "problem?" I always thought it was fun - and maybe one of the main points of powder. You just need enuff pitch!
Having now spent some time with "small" skis (78mm waist) in Pacific Northwest goop, I can say that, with correct application of fundamental skills, it's possible to execute perfectly good turns in the stuff without hauling the skis up out of the snow. Tip 'em down the hill and enjoy the face shots!
Sitting back a bit does become necessary if the slope pitch is insufficient for the snow conditions. If it's too deep for the steep (or lack of steep), it's possible to simply grind to a halt unless you get your skis a bit closer to the surface.
Originally Posted by Rusty Guy
arguably one of the best skiers at winter park is a guy named todd metz. he is a long time instructor/psia-rm examiner. he is without a doubt the very best skier that i have ever seen in tight trees/bumps/marginal snow.
he begins almost every run with one or two double pole plants.
Yes, Todd can do amazing things in the woods, although evidence exists that he is human, after all...
Todd is also one of the most enthusiastic skiers I've ever skied with. You can tell if he thinks you're OK, because both his critique and the lines he chooses will be brutal. (Loudly: "This clinic is about VERTICAL DROP!!")
He does advocate the occasional double pole plant, when it's functionally appropriate. In fact, Todd is an advocate of whatever works, given the often challenging skiing he prefers. ("Do you think you can squeeze under that leaner, avoid the rocks just beyond it, and land the drop?" "Um, not me, boss!")
But, of course, according to MBS, he's a poor skier.
John Cooley - Slacker, layabout, irresponsible miscreant
Social reprobate, constant face-planter