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In honor of this thread I updated my signature. My daughter saw it and pointed out she has been 10 for 9 months or so. Anyway I just returned her leased skis for this past year. Just to show how ready she is to get off kids from our Kmart day last saturday there was a huge splinter of fiberglass cracked and hanging off the tail. I could not have been prouder. So next year she gets real skis. I know many people say go to the early season sales and get her kids skis but she is ready for serious boards. Sometimes she skis at a level 8 and I think not getting her the correct tools for the trade will hurt her progress at this point. So she wants something pretty fat, go figure. In the interest of longevity I am looking at skis in the 155-160 range despite the fact that she has not yet skied anything over 150 yet. So here are some contenders.

K2 Missdeamenors. I have seen these for as low as 225 or so on the net. 80 underfoot girl specifc twin tip with cool graphics, go figure. This may be the call if nothing else pans out.

Atomic Sugar Daddy's 153. If I see a good deal on Ebay for these I may make the move. She wants em bad. It would be kind of sad that she would have fatter skis than me, but next ski season is far away and I have found some Atomic Pimps in 183 priced to go that I have my eye on.

Rossi B3W She loved skiing on these twice this year. I saw them a few times online for 299 but have not seen that deal since. This ski along with 2 other womens specific skis, the Phat Luv, and the Queen Attiva(see also Volkl Hard Rock) would be perfect. But as Phil pointed out in another thread these skis are in short supply thus making them expensive.

Dynastar Exclusive Legend. They have these right as we speak at a local ski shop for 299. That suprised the heck out of my. These are not quite as fat as the others but I hear they are hot skis and kick butt off piste, please tell me if I am wrong.

The other option is to get her a park ski. Many of the boys park skis like the Salomon 1080's start in the 150's range length wise and there are certainly deals to be found. They actually had Troubled Youths in a 158 with bindings for 199 used. But they felt super soft and I do not want to buy her a ski for one year. I want one for at least 2 or 3.

Anyway guys I appreciate any and all opinions you might have especially if you know a rep and can get me sick deals, Cough *Thatsagirl* Cough. Excuse me, anyway hope to here from you.

PS. There seems to be a preponderance of womens specific fat skis coming on the market next year but that does not really help me because they will be mucho dollars, at least until next april.
post #2 of 23
1. How much does she weigh.
2. Where does she ski.
3. How fast does she ski.
4. What type of turns are most important for her to nail (LR or SR or medium)
post #3 of 23
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Originally Posted by Ghost
1. How much does she weigh.
2. Where does she ski.
3. How fast does she ski.
4. What type of turns are most important for her to nail (LR or SR or medium)
1. She weighs about 110.

2. She skis mostly in the east but we head out west some. Mostly expert terrain, bumps, trees, powder, steeps.

3. She skis fast some but most of the terrain we ski is hard to ski really fast. She will open it up on runouts and if we do groomers.

4. In the woods its all about short turns, at least in the woods we usually do. I did notice her on a powder day at Mad River doing big fast GS turns down Liftline, and Chute, Good Times. She was on the B3w's that day though so she could tell the ski was more stable and would not buck on her.
post #4 of 23
I have 13 and 15 yr old daughters that ski anything I will , they ski Fernie powder and Lake Louise ice . What I have been putting them on for the last 4 - 5 years are Atomics Balanze womens skis and progressing up the scale. The young one is 100 lbs. and about 5 ft. and skiing the nano frame B7.4 in 145cm the last year. The ski is snappy, wider than any junior ski , alot beefier plus has the surface area needed for powder and a side cut that lets her carve on hardpack. These skis suit the areas we ski at .
Buy her skis that suit the conditions you ski the most , she will ski the deep stuff on anything (we all did it on straights) but fats may be a bigger problem elsewhere.
post #5 of 23
My daughter is 5'4" 115 lbs and is on the adult 1080's (151cm). The soft flex seems to suit her & she loves the twin tip for jumps & riding switch. I'd say go for a twintip because she'll probably have more fun.

For her weight, I'd be careful that you dont get her into something that will be too stiff. Just remember that soft for you does not translate into soft for her.
post #6 of 23
That Troubled Yout is one of the nicest "kids" skis out there. For $199, it might not be abad thing if it turns out to be a 1 season ski. I think you should rule out the Sugar Daddy right now, that's a pretty stiff ski and has aproximately no sidecut. Another ski to consider might be the 1080 Foil, you know how good the PR is... I don't think these sold too well either, might be able to get a deal.
post #7 of 23
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Originally Posted by Alfonse

Dynastar Exclusive Legend. They have these right as we speak at a local ski shop for 299. That suprised the heck out of my. These are not quite as fat as the others but I hear they are hot skis and kick butt off piste, please tell me if I am wrong.
You have a winner right here.

Cheers,

Michael
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Originally Posted by barrettscv
You have a winner right here.

Cheers,

Michael
From what I've heard, Barrett jas got it right. I haven't been on it. Two other's to consider for hardpack conditions are the Atomic Balanze 11 (my daughter and I have both tried this one) and the Head Fast Thang (again based on hear-say).
post #9 of 23
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Originally Posted by wizard
My daughter is 5'4" 115 lbs and is on the adult 1080's (151cm). The soft flex seems to suit her & she loves the twin tip for jumps & riding switch. I'd say go for a twintip because she'll probably have more fun.

For her weight, I'd be careful that you dont get her into something that will be too stiff. Just remember that soft for you does not translate into soft for her.
I have actually been considering the 1080's. They have a bunch of deals on last years model in 151. The one with the wings, just like my PR's:
post #10 of 23
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Originally Posted by wizard
....Just remember that soft for you does not translate into soft for her...
Same for width: http://forums.epicski.com/showthread.php?t=521

Tom / PM
post #11 of 23
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Originally Posted by Alfonse
In the interest of longevity I am looking at skis in the 155-160 range despite the fact that she has not yet skied anything over 150 yet. So here are some contenders.

K2 Missdeamenors. I have seen these for as low as 225 or so on the net. 80 underfoot girl specifc twin tip with cool graphics, go figure. This may be the call if nothing else pans out.

Anyway guys I appreciate any and all opinions you might have especially if you know a rep and can get me sick deals, Cough *Thatsagirl* Cough. Excuse me, anyway hope to here from you.
I like how I got included in there with "the guys." Send me an email...

So, I skied the Missdemeanor at Big Mountain at the end of March. A fun and sassy ski that also handled anything I ran into with huge gusto (very stable). I skied slush, mashed potatoes, freeze-thawed groomers, soft groomers, thigh-deep heavy powder (Eastern consistency), knee-deep light powder, frozen chicken heads under inch or two of fresh snow (basically, spring skiing at its best! ). Most of that was on very steep terrain and I felt completely confident. Seriously, I want a pair. A friend also demoed them and loved them.

We were both on the 165. Shortest is a 154, next is 159. I think I'd go for the 154 for her, if you get this ski. I think she will enjoy these skis--twintips, great graphics, perfect for the conditions you two ski, perfect for improving her skills. I know you said she likes the B3W, but when I skied it on this same trip, I didn't think it handled the conditions well at all, it was throwing me all over the place, lots of chatter, and I turned it in for another ski. (While it handled for your daughter better than her junior skis, I think it falls short against other women's skis.) I think that she will outgrow the B3W sooner than the Missdemeanor because as her skills develop, she will become more aggressive (and possibly grow in height and weight), and she probably will have the same experience on the B3W as I did. She skis terrain that few 10 year olds ski and she needs a ski that will keep up with how quickly she improves her technique and skills. K2s are not overly stiff, they are known for being a softer ski (which she needs at her age/level), but I think they have better torsional rigidity than the B3Ws.

I really do not think you should get her a ski as fat as Phat Luv, Sugar Daddy, etc., for her only ski. It is hard to get them up on edge, you have to have very good technique, and I think she is too young and inexperienced to enjoy them in all conditions. Maybe in a few years as a second pair for her quiver. Don't make her have to work so hard when she is still improving as a skier. You know how I ski, and how much I ski, and I only used my Phat Luvs a few times at Jay this year because it was just more fun to have my Scream 8Ws (75mm). The Missdemeanors (or other skis with similar width underfoot) are much more versatile than the fat skis.

Thatsagirl
post #12 of 23
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Thanks for the reply TAG. Its what I was looking for. I know she liked the Rossi's because they were a step up from her other skis. I had not heard any feedback on the Missdemeaners so this helps a ton. So did you take them in the park:. I have found the 159's online for 239$ Sorry to miss you at Jay a week and a half ago. But for once Killington was really rockin and lots of bears where there. Any comments on the salomon Siam?

Alfonse
post #13 of 23
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I had not heard any feedback on the Missdemeaners so this helps a ton. So did you take them in the park:.
Interestingly, I DID go in the park with them. Went into the superpipe. Ever been in one? SCARY! : I cannot tell you how well they performed, as I most certainly wasn't performing myself! :

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Originally Posted by Alfonse
Sorry to miss you at Jay a week and a half ago. But for once Killington was really rockin and lots of bears where there.
We had wanted to join everyone at Killington, but my better half had to get in his required patrol days at Jay and we also had a BBQ planned at the mountain. Glad you all had fun, I read the trip report!

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Any comments on the salomon Siam?
I haven't tried the Siam, though I suspect it is the new name for the Scream 8W? I have no idea whether they've made changes to it or not.

Thatsagirl
post #14 of 23
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I agree about the park. One day this year at Killington my daughters snowboarder friend was with us and we went in the pipe quite a bit. I am kind of bitter because 15 years ago I would have excelled in the pipe so I decided to push the envelope. The end result was me cresting the lip and pushing off the wall to far which sent me nosediving straight down headfirst into the bottom of the pipe. By far my worst fall of the season. I guess some lessons you are never to old to learn:. Pain is a large motivating factor!
post #15 of 23
Alphonse, 159 seems kind of long for her, you say she likes to ski the trees and bumps at MRG .I think if you go too long she will really struggle, she is only 10 and still growing, let her beat up a pair of skis in the 145-155 range for a couple of years, not to hard to do at MRG. I also would not be hesitant to get her any gender type of ski, she probably is not that developmently different from 10 year old boys at this age so a womens specific ski probably won't mean that much to her unless she likes the graphics. When she gets to be 13-14 then look on getting her a bigger more gender specific ski if thats what she wants, assuming she hasn't broken them by then. P.S. don't extend/push off on top of the wall in a pipe, retract and extend as you are moving into the belly of the pipe, I have felt your pain in the pipe!
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post #17 of 23
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Originally Posted by Thatsagirl
Interestingly, I DID go in the park with them. Went into the superpipe. Ever been in one? SCARY! : I cannot tell you how well they performed, as I most certainly wasn't performing myself! :
I have to share this moment, and give a warning to others. My very first experience with a half pipe occurred on the spur of the moment as I was cruizing down a blue run on my SGs. It was just a quick left off the trail into the half pipe. I was likely going over 50. I got a LOT more air than I expected to get. I must have messed it up a little, 'cause I didn't manage to land on the sloped edge. The snow in the bottom of those things is pretty hard. Superfeet cork is also harder than you think. I thought I had broken both my heels when I finally touched down, but they stopped hurting after a week or so.
post #18 of 23
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She definately liked the graphics on the Missdemeanor lots. She has wanted em all year. When I showed her the graphics for next year she frowned at them. As for the b3w in 150 she loved them, but anything was an upgrade from her luv bugs. If I wanted to put her on a boys/mens ski it would have to be a park ski since they are the only ones short enough. The foil would be cool
post #19 of 23
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A bit of an update I was at the local ski shop and they had the Dynaster Roxy Snow Angel in 158 with bindings to match for 299. This is a twin tip ski that is as soft as butter with cool graphics. Does anyone have any info on this ski other than the obvious? Just curious, Thanks!

Alfonse
post #20 of 23
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Originally Posted by Alfonse
A bit of an update I was at the local ski shop and they had the Dynaster Roxy Snow Angel in 158 with bindings to match for 299. This is a twin tip ski that is as soft as butter with cool graphics. Does anyone have any info on this ski other than the obvious? Just curious, Thanks!

Alfonse
will a 158 be too much for her? Shoot TC an PM, I am sure she can tell you about them.
post #21 of 23
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These skis were SOFT. She skied the b3w in 150 like nothing and she will only be bigger and stronger next year. That ski is also a twin and they tend to ski short.

Alfonse
post #22 of 23
Why not get her some phantoms? They are expensive but 160cm lenghts 162mm tip, 110mm waist, 154 tail. If she skis anything like you, she ll love them, and she would be the coolest kid at MRG....now just finding that 625 dollars plus binding.

I might pick up a set of 180cm for myself......

Ok now for the non bushwacker dream of ripping kid on phantoms, how about some Line Celebrity in 162. It would ski short being twin, and the flex of line skis is awesome for the type of skiing you do. BTw my friend back in Feburary was on Line chronic wides, and I think they would be great for her purposes.
post #23 of 23
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The wides are nice. George bought some prophet 100's and loves em. I saw a guy at MRG with phantoms one day this year. Don't get them. Its to much of a gimmick ski. Don't get me wrong, in the woods they would rip, but thats it. I showed her the celebrity's and shadows and she did not like them too much. Speaking of atomics, since u have some I am considering picking up the pimps in 183
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