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Whoa Doggie! Am I Lousy!

post #1 of 16
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First day back teaching skiing, taking a few warm up runs and I was all over the place instead of where I should be. Talk about being embarassed. Sheesh! It all came back though, even though I'm out of shape and out of practice. (Yes, Lisamarie... I'm laying off those french fries! [img]smile.gif[/img] )
What also came back was an old straight ski habit I wasn't aware I still had! Sometimes I’d get tossed into the back seat and sometimes twisted half way around? I’d have to force myself back forward to regain control.
What I was doing was more of an old style used to get that pop or extra lift to change edges. I’d throw my pole forward with the wrist to the sky then plant and turn. Even though I wasn’t planting (just touch and go) now and then I’d catch a small bump or rut of snow which would grab my pole. With my wrist like that my elbow would be in the side of my body. Guess what happens next! I run into all this and it acts like a lever, shoving my backwards! Our ski director pointed this out. I’ve wondered about this for a few years now, why this was happening. Problem solved. Just reach downhill and no wrist turn and no death grip on the pole, elbow slightly bent. If your pole catches snow your arm can react without hitting your body. Sometimes it’s the smallest item we’re not aware we’re doing which can make a big difference.
Anyone else run into little stuff like this that makes such a big difference in their skiing? Naaaaw! Just the old dog... right? [img]smile.gif[/img] Such an epiphany! jyd
post #2 of 16
Maybe if you're body wants so badly to be on straight skis you should listen to it. Better to be on old equipment using proper tecnique than using new equipment and having to fight with yourself. That's just plain ol common sense.
post #3 of 16
Originally posted by MittersillManiac:
Maybe if you're body wants so badly to be on straight skis you should listen to it. Better to be on old equipment using proper tecnique than using new equipment and having to fight with yourself. That's just plain ol common sense.
Anyone in Oregon sticking to straight skis is nuts. The old technique is too much work in the heavy powder and spring slush you encounter there. I had a blast the other day skiing 26+ inches of Oregon powder last weekend. 7 or 8 years ago I would have left that much heavy powder to the boarders.
post #4 of 16
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The point was just getting back into skiing, first day up. With old stuff there was proper technique. With new stuff there is proper technique. The two are different in some respects. Any time there is a technology change there often is a technique change which accompanies it.

There was a tremendous change in technique when we went from skis without metal edges to ones with. There were many who said this was cheating, or being a wuss; it makes skiing too easy. Another was leather boots to our boots today; again, same argument. Also the bear claw bindings to safety bindings caused some die hards to claim they were macho but the safety binding users were wimps and scardy cats.

But then, this post's purpose was merely to express how the first day back on the hill can be a toughy if you're not in shape and you haven't been on your skis for awhile. It wasn't intended to be open for riddicule for not staying in shape or not getting in shape before the season, or not staying with straight skis because we can't or don't want to change our style of skiing.

We should try to stay in shape or get back into shape before hitting the hill, but life just ain't that way for many of us. We work. We have families which demands our time, and a plethora of other things which occur in lives. Others have little else to do or have little else they want to do but ski. They may tend to stay in shape, working only to earn money to chase the snow. Wonderful! Go for it! Most of us aren't so lucky.

I truly expected replies with similar stories of aches and pains, and skiing flubs on the first day, keeping a light-hearted post, showing that we all are humans expressing our goof ups and silly things we sometimes do. But I guess I erred.
post #5 of 16
I've got one...
First day back this season, I made every possible mistake. I went night skiing my first time out, when the temperature was just a little south of zero.
1.) Got four hours sleep, just after working a twelve hour shift.
2.) Didn't eat that day.
3.) Didn't drink any water.
4.) Took my race stock short slaloms (not exactly forgiving).
5.) Wore too many layers- cozy for the ride up, but unbearable for the ride down.

I ended up dizzy and disoriented after an hour at the hill, and probably did more to hurt my season than help it. Luckily, I didn't fall and didn't hit anyone on my way down, but I spent quite a bit of time in the lodge recovering and rehydrating. Then I drove home, figuring the night was pretty much done at that point.

The second day out, I did much better, having learned from my experience. Unfortunately, I usually end up relearning at least one of those lessons every year. :
post #6 of 16
Originally posted by jyarddog:
<snip>But I guess I erred.
No, you didn't err...it's just the nature of the human combined with the environment of the internet. Be centered and expect to be misunderstood then all will flow easily.
First days ... ah yes; Saturday for us at Meadows. First time with a camelback. Cleaned with clorine and freshen with soda water. Thats what the instructions said anyway. Must have used to strong a solution of soda. No indigestion from breakfast tody! Nice thin snow with lots of breaks because we took our youngest up for his second season of boarding. That means lots of stops with recovery time but rude to laugh until he at least smiles. Now he is off to learn more with his own age so I am sure that I won't be stopping for him any more. All is good. Early lunch, sore joints and muscles but a great way to spend the day. technique? errors? Of course but then I don't know any better so who cares! [img]smile.gif[/img]
post #7 of 16
I know the feeling. After a few years off I started skiing again. Been doing it since I was 3 so it's like second nature. Except, even a few weeks into it, I still feel like I'm being sloppy and most of the time sitting in the back seat rather than really doing the driving. Just gotta keep pushing it I guess, it will return. Every once in a while I feel the flow, get the boards to pop and get that perfect posture floating feeling...then wham! Into the backseat I go lol. :
post #8 of 16
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Ryel- I'm around the other side of the hill- cooper. Teaching over there. Was it last Sat. (?) reports said T-Line was shut off- the road, also something with Meadows, and to go to Cooper? We were swamped!

A couple of decades ago at Meadows I saw a great poster in the hallway, just outside the rental shop: A picture of Whistler's Mother (the famous one) sitting in a rocking chair with skis on. She was rocked all the way back, had poles inher hands, and grinning. The caption said.... Sit Back Mother! Gawd, I wish I could find that!

yeppers- First of the season aches and pains, but it's a good ache!

Last Sunday I got as far as the madras intersection... well, I at least could see it. Heard the report on the radio ... no accidents, just a lot of traffic all the way back down the mountain. I finally turned around and headed for Hood River. Many others did too. Did you go down the dark side? (26) or did you hoof it around back toward H. River?
post #9 of 16
Whoa doggie me too. I wish I had the time I had 20 years ago and the $$$ I have today. I would be a great skier. But, alas, one has either time or money but seldom both.

post #10 of 16
Originally posted by jyarddog:
Did you go down the dark side? (26) or did you hoof it around back toward H. River?
Dark side...left early and never looked back. Got in front of the blocker car (there is always one guy with no traction or brains) and just cruised.
post #11 of 16
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At Cooper where I teach, Friday was solid ice. Took one run. My Mods held the ice great, but even with these skis legs and teeth got hammered all the way down. Good thing I don't have dentures... yet! Then it warmed up and it was mush city. Yesterday, nothing but mush... some of us were sent home early. Solid rain all day. Hope today is better. I heard it was tis way even up on T-line.
Yup- just as bad as the guys who have to be first, passing 10 cars in a blizzard on a blind curve is Bible-belttin' Dad with white knuckles who goes 38 in a 55 on a bare, strait highway, no fog! Does he think everyone is using him as a pace car for safety? [img]smile.gif[/img]
The way we have our ski school set up the students are progressing very fast. Some wanted to take on the 'big people' hill. When we saw one skier hit the deck at the last of her run and slid about fifty yards or better on her butt we thought, "Yeah! Right! We think y'all are ready for ice now!" bwahahaha!
Do you think sitting back or in the back seat could be called Greyhound skiing? "Leave the driving to us"? [img]smile.gif[/img]
Question- When it gets mushy, which really can take the energy out of you, is your balance a bit more upright until you make your turn and then back to a bit more upright again to keep from fighting the mush? or do you just park the skis and do a Margarita run?
post #12 of 16
Whenever I run into mush I tend to stand more upright. After a couple runs my thighs start burning and I realize I'm fighting the snow too much. I then start concentrating on staying lower, more aggressive and making sure I'm using my skis' shape to make the turn instead of using the old hop & push your tails around technique I used with straight skis in mush. Once I adjust my technique & attitude mush becomes much less fatiguing to ski. One would think I would catch on and start skiing mush right from the beginning but its hard to fight instinct you've developed over 30+ years.

[ January 05, 2003, 08:15 AM: Message edited by: Rio ]
post #13 of 16
From memory I was told "use the speed" - open turns up just a little more than normal & use the speed to go through the stuff
Have 'soft feet' - ie don't push snow around was another

We have slush every afternoon at one of my hills & I really don't think I change my skiing much at all. I do know that as I see the transition coming I tend to think 'strong stomach' - not tense it - but tell the body to be ready for the 'uh' point. Mostly I think I just have that slightly more open turn shape relative to the same terrain with a firmer base.
post #14 of 16
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The director of our ski school has been clinicing with me on technique and teaching stuff. What he and I were working on seems to be what you guys are basically saying, ... let the skis do the work. Reach downhill, let the ski go into the fall line, let them turn, 'shorten' the inside leg which floats the up hill ski slightly away from the downhill ski, letting it guide the turn while stabilizing better edge pressure on the downhill ski, without increasing leg stress and let the ski catch up with you. So much easier. maybe I didn't word it right but it's close. [img]smile.gif[/img]
Still a bit apprehensive, getting into that unpacked Cascade Cement. I go into it, my skis start floating great, good stability, but my brain still says, "Holy Sh*t! What am I doing here?" ... and I guide back out to the groomed. Why do we beat the snot out of our selves with fear and "I can't do dat"? [img]smile.gif[/img]
post #15 of 16
Good to see you're back at it. Hope the season goes well. [img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img]
post #16 of 16
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Hey Slatz! Der ya be! Got my sis to try skiing again! Her hubs and she came up but we had shut down due to lack of snow. so i hung around until they got there. We walked up the little rope tow and I gave her a lesson anyway. I bent over and held tips together, skied backwards until she got her balance, let go, skied backwards faster and out of the way. She then yelled, "How do I turn? I forgot?" I yelled, "Just give me a 5! (It's just a saying we use... 2 is a narrow wedge, 5 is a wider wedge, hard 5 bigger yet to stop, etc.) She yelled again... Boy can she bellow! [img]smile.gif[/img] Just like our mom! So i told her and bless her heart she did it! We walked back up and she did it again... about 3 or 4 nice wedge turns. it all started to come back! Her hubs got it all on video!

Students are beating the snot out of my Mod's so I got another pair of skis. F4 Volkls. I was going to grab the F5's with the risers but I don't need risers and the F4's were a tad wider at the tips and tails, waist is the same, and same stiffness. Have you or anyone heard of these puppies? They seem to turn incredibly well and hold a great edge. Being 5'4" I got htem at 168 while my Mod's are 174. I notice They aren't qite as stable at higher speeds as my Mod's, but they make a short turn better. Maybe it's the difference in length, but I'm happy with both. I did check the Volkls for concaveness and they were, so I dragged them across the Wintersteiger a couple of times to get rid of a lot of it.
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