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post #1 of 17
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How many cycles do you guys use for new skis to prep them?
post #2 of 17
I gave my recently purchased M:EX's a hot scrape with a cheap soft yellow wax to clean the bases & was amazed at the amount of crap that was drawn out.

I then gave them five hot scrape cycles using Dominator Renew base prep graphite wax. The reason I used the yellow wax for the first clean was not only that it's waaay cheaper than the Dominator but the graphite version of the Renew is black & you can't see if there's dirt coming out of the base.

Between each hot scrape cycle I gave the bases plenty of tip to tail passess with a brass brush & three grades of fibertex pad, say 10 passes of each.

Then I hot waxed for the conditions etc.

This is the same base regime that I used on my b5's after they'd had a grind, although I used a very low temperature wax & cold scrape for one of the cycles for help remove any micro fibres left from the grind.

I don't race but I reckon that racer's would be doing a lot more wax'n'brush cycles, maybe 30-40.
post #3 of 17

Is it realy needed?

I'm all confused here. I called yesterday my locale Fischer dealer and asked him about wax for my new RX8. He said: "New? Out-of-the-box? No need for waxing. The ski is pre waxed by the manufacturer". Why would he avoid an opportunity to make some money?
post #4 of 17
Eyal - because they are very "professional". I posted some more on the the other thread, for you. Learn how do your own maitanence (main proble space to put the ski vice). Use your old skis to learn on.
post #5 of 17
I have no space problem. I can get all the needed info on line but what about the products? Buy online from the US?
post #6 of 17
You can buy on-line from the US or from Europe (from places like http://www.telemark-pyrenees.com/sho...4 72079e7755f )
You can also buy during your ski trip (best selection i've seen so far was in the shops of Chamonix)
post #7 of 17
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Originally Posted by Eyal_Shahar
I'm all confused here. I called yesterday my locale Fischer dealer and asked him about wax for my new RX8. He said: "New? Out-of-the-box? No need for waxing. The ski is pre waxed by the manufacturer". Why would he avoid an opportunity to make some money?

Eyal, New skis have dirt & dust in the pores and microscopic hairs are left on the base from the original grind. The quality of the manufacuturers wax varies quite considerably & to be honest I've no experience re Fischer skis, however in general the factory wax is as much for transit protection rather than performance & doesn't tend to last too long. Why would a manufacturer add cost for a decent wax job that they couldn't recoup? The same could be said for edge angles as many new skis have inconsistent angles along their length although I do ski the factory edges until they need a tune.

I think a few coats of wax & a couple of hours time are worthwhile investments as new skis are expensive items. The multiple waxings really load up the base for better long term performance & protection. BTW, I gave you a bum steer on my methodology by saying I give the skis multiple hot wax scrapes which implies that I scraped whilst the wax was still hot, as when base cleaning. After the initial hot scrape clean I actually then leave each subsequent waxing to fully cool before scraping to maximise the absorbtion.

I don't know what the tariffs, import duties, exchange rates & logistics are for you to order goods from the UK but I've a tuning products business in the UK & would be pleased to have you as my first export customer. PM me if you want any info.
post #8 of 17
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Originally Posted by mikey_10
How many cycles do you guys use for new skis to prep them?
A new ski to be raced on soon: many as I have time for

A new ski with no particular plans: once each day first five or so, then whatever is needed.
post #9 of 17
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Originally Posted by Eyal_Shahar
I'm all confused here. I called yesterday my locale Fischer dealer and asked him about wax for my new RX8. He said: "New? Out-of-the-box? No need for waxing. The ski is pre waxed by the manufacturer". Why would he avoid an opportunity to make some money?
http://forums.epicski.com/showthread.php?t=40665

See last post in thread.
post #10 of 17
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Originally Posted by Eyal_Shahar
I'm all confused here. I called yesterday my locale Fischer dealer and asked him about wax for my new RX8. He said: "New? Out-of-the-box? No need for waxing. The ski is pre waxed by the manufacturer". Why would he avoid an opportunity to make some money?
I'm with the fischer dealer, but more in regards to tune-ups. Never again will those skis be factory fresh.
People who ask if their brand new recreational skis should be tuned before use get a no from me. I always suggest skiing them initially untouched, and if they ski badly, then get them tuned. Most skis come out of the wrapper ready to ski (some brands are more consistent than others) and I always suggest doing so. Although, I guess a wax wouldn't hurt.
post #11 of 17
Wax on ,wax off. Wax on , wax off wax on ,wax off, wax on ,wax off, wax on ,wax off, Go skiing
post #12 of 17

Any new ski needs tuning, waxing, brushing every time.

post #13 of 17
Quote: Jacques, do you realize you are posting in a thread from over 6 years ago! (Not the first time you have been on a resurrection bender!)  And all new skis DO NOT NEED TUNING!  That is just a gross over generalization! Waxing no question!
Originally Posted by Jacques View Post
 

Any new ski needs tuning, waxing, brushing every time.

post #14 of 17
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Originally Posted by Atomicman View Post
 
Quote: Jacques, do you realize you are posting in a thread from over 6 years ago! (Not the first time you have been on a resurrection bender!)  And all new skis DO NOT NEED TUNING!  That is just a gross over generalization! Waxing no question!
Originally Posted by Jacques View Post
 

Any new ski needs tuning, waxing, brushing every time.

That's so funny how people tell me "this is an old thread".   Do a search on the net.  See what comes up.  It is old, but it is still alive when one searches for certain stuff!   It's like my old Atomic Arc Ambitions skis, they are old but they still kill it! 

Here is another one for you AtomicMan that is not so old!  I hope you can enjoy the first part where I test a pair of Atomic Alibi skis!

post #15 of 17

Should have taken the Alibi's down, Thunderbird, Coffee or Cliffhanger. Get a little GO in your MOJO!

post #16 of 17
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Originally Posted by Atomicman View Post
 

Should have taken the Alibi's down, Thunderbird, Coffee or Cliffhanger. Get a little GO in your MOJO!

Yea.  I just wanted to get them back to Scott right away so he could let the Chicks try them too.  I was lucky that he offered me a turn with them.  I really did like them.  Four Seasons in Sunriver and Lucky Chucky's are good folks.  I have made a few deals with him in the past and always felt like I was treated fairly.  He sold me the 6-14 race bindings that I needed for the Arc Ambitions.  The recall had been fixed.  He took them off some skis he had and gave me a good deal.  I think I paid $80.00 for the Ambitions from someones closet brand new, but old, never mounted or used.

post #17 of 17
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Originally Posted by Atomicman View Post
 
Quote: Jacques, do you realize you are posting in a thread from over 6 years ago! (Not the first time you have been on a resurrection bender!)  And all new skis DO NOT NEED TUNING!  That is just a gross over generalization! Waxing no question!
Originally Posted by Jacques View Post
 

Any new ski needs tuning, waxing, brushing every time.

 

I have seen a few that don't, but not many!  DSP hand tunes from the factory for example.  Or is that DPS?  Some smaller makers are at least doing some finish work after the machine disc stuff to tie it all together better.  Hey, ON3p is even hot boxing their skis.  Only to 120 degrees, but for soft base prep. wax that's great!

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