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Should there be a racing forum here at EpicSki? Please vote Yes/Indifferent/No.

Poll Results: Should there be a racing forum here at EpicSki?

 
  • 68% (75)
    Yes
  • 22% (25)
    Indifferent
  • 8% (9)
    No
109 Total Votes  
post #1 of 30
Thread Starter 
Should there be a racing forum here at EpicSki?

I know there was another thread about this topic recently but it was in the Community Announcements/Site Administration forum which gets a lot less traffic than this General Ski Discussion forum. Also, the other thread was not structured as a poll.

a) Please take a moment to vote Yes/Indifferent/No.

b) After voting, please post a comment on the reasons for your vote. If you vote Yes, please talk about what topics you would like to see in this racing forum. Posting comments will also help to bump this poll to the top of the thread list. For some reason, I think the vBulletin board software is currently set not to recognize voting on a poll as thread activity when it lists active threads.

c) Please PM or email your friends on EpicSki and ask them to vote here http://forums.epicski.com/showthread.php?t=40296 on this question.

I think we should create a new forum called "Racing News & Technique" in General Forums section of this website. The description below the forum name could read "World Cup, Olympics, USSA, Masters, League, NASTAR - News/Technique/Videos/Photos/Check-Ins". We could pull the racing threads from the General Ski Discussion and the Skiing Technique & Instruction areas into this new forum. Additionally, any relevant racing threads from Ski Gear Discussion and/or Tuning and Maintenance could be added if there is interest.

It should also be listed on the EpicSki home page as "Racing News & Technique" in the General Forums Section after General Ski Discussion to help attract more traffic to EpicSki when search engines index/rank the homepage.


Here are some reasons to create a racing forum:

1) Attracts more new users and converts some lurkers at EpicSki.

2) Attracts some current users who never/rarely look in the Skiing Technique & Training area. I think the average site user who sees CM, MA, Counter, Phantom Move, Morphology, etc. in a posting topic may be a little intimidated/think it is way over one's head/skip the topic altogether. This new area will allow folks who come for the Racing News to see some posts on Racing Technique that are more accessible/less intimidating and may encourage them to go to the Skiing Technique & Training area to check out other posts.

3) Combines the many very informative threads posted by racers, parents of racers and people interested in racing in general into one central location so that one does not have to go searching through multiple areas.

4) Increases posting traffic on EpicSki by current users who are passionate about/interested in racing in general.

5) Provides a central location to refer friends/colleagues who are interested in racing in general.

6) Provides a specific area for those who are looking for coaching/advice about racing as most of the threads in Skiing Technique & Training area are not directly related to racing technique.

7) There have been 5 new forums created in the past year (12/21/05): General Snowboard Discussions, Family Skiing Discussions, Tuning and Maintenance, Food & Drink, Trip Reports. Racing is certainly worthy of its own forum in addition to these 5 new topics.

8) Potentially helps retain quality posters who are willing to share their knowledge with others.

9) It could be fun to have Check-Ins where racers/parents of racers check-in to say where they are going to be racing during an upcoming weekend/weekday. These folks could later check-in after the race to report the results for themselves/other EpicSki Bears.


If there is enough interest, we could ask the moderators to create this forum.

Thanks in advance for your support.

Respectfully,

Ski03
post #2 of 30
Sounds good!
post #3 of 30
Thread Starter 

What topics should be included in a Racing News & Technique Forum?

Barrettscv & others - What topics would you like to see included in a Racing News & Technique Forum?
post #4 of 30
I don't race but I do love a good Nastar every once and a while, and I could use some tips on how to shave .08 seconds off my time to get the silver :.
post #5 of 30
Because it's the other side of the coin.

Race technique/tactics forum.
post #6 of 30
I don't think we should try to replicate what www.skiracing.com is. However, other racing happenings along with a racing technique and racing equipment discussion forum could be very interesting. The challenge may be how best to avoid PSIA v. PTMS type debates and commercial pitches but it seems worth a trial run.

I know that this subject has come up from time to time in the past. The idea was always put on hold. I'm not sure why that was but we should probably try to see how the downsides of the idea might be addressed.

This weekend when I have some more time available, I will do a "search" and see what I can find that's been posted in the past on this subject. Of course, anyone that is able to get to it before then is welcome to do so.
post #7 of 30

skiracing vs forum

Ski Racing Magazine is great and a good source of information for events and some training issues.

But!

There is no forum or dialog or discourse on the pros or cons of gear or technique, bindings or tips for the just starting out types .... the beer racers or the new parents of the J-set ...

Ski Racing will never run a feature on "waxing on the cheap" .... like "yes that old steam iron will work" ... or "use a Scotch-Brite pad" .... "A windshield ice scraper will work fine" .... etc.
post #8 of 30
I voted indifferent, but reckon you could take those as "yes". Certainly it's not a "no" vote. People seem to want to talk about racing, and it would certainly fit in with the technicalish bent here at epic.
post #9 of 30
I voted no. There seem to be way too many loudmouths here who think watching a couple races on tv makes them experts on ski racing. To satisfy my ongoing racing forum jones, I'm now learning to read and write in German, French, and Norwegian.:
post #10 of 30
I think it would be beneficial because it's sure to be all over the place. And that's good! I'm guessing there will be posts about how to improve your NASTAR handicap, kids racing, Master's racing, equipment, arguments about the need for race suits, does beer make you go faster, on and on. I hope to see it.
post #11 of 30
It will happen.
post #12 of 30

Sounds good...

...I will note that there is already a separate race forum:

http://www.forums.skiracetech.com/

...but it doesn't get a lot of traffic...
post #13 of 30
I voted Yes. Segmentation is good - I only read the forums I am interested in anyway.

Racing techniques, equipment, etc., are what I would tune in for. I don't care much about World Cup racing or results, but that can certainly be limited to its own topic(s).
post #14 of 30

Separate but ?qual

Segmentation is good?

Quote:
I know there was another thread about this topic recently but it was in the Community Announcements/Site Administration forum which gets a lot less traffic than this General Ski Discussion forum
?
post #15 of 30
Skiracetech forum will serve it's own "niche", but in essence, it started as an off shoot of a few threads here at Epic. I just don't think it will develop the depth when compared to the "gene pool" here at Epic.

While I wish Jason well with his site, the limited knowledge of the new racers, etc .... we have lots of techies here and .. I don't think the potential for getting down to the "nitty gritty" exists over there .. at least yet.
post #16 of 30
i say yes..race dweebs deserve a place just like everyone else
post #17 of 30
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bez
I voted no. There seem to be way too many loudmouths here who think watching a couple races on tv makes them experts on ski racing.
Wouldn't that be a reason to support a separate forum? It would make it a lot easier to avoid them ... er, us.
post #18 of 30
Do it. I like the idea of a general racing forum instead of having to search through several different forums for threads about racing. While there may be some crossover, I think there will be a lot of forum-specific talk that makes it worthwhile.

As to if it will get any trafic- Anyone remember the Instruction forum pre-SCSA? It was a real sleeper in terms of posts made. Now look at it.
post #19 of 30
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bez
I voted no. There seem to be way too many loudmouths here who think watching a couple races on tv makes them experts on ski racing.


Quote:
Originally Posted by sjjohnston
Wouldn't that be a reason to support a separate forum? It would make it a lot easier to avoid them ... er, us.
Yes, I agree. I was just being a naughty little troll.
post #20 of 30
I'm indifferent, and I thought you all should know that. Now, don't you feel enriched?
post #21 of 30

va .. (add a tear or two)

And our hopes shattered that Hank Kashiwa won't become a contributor.
post #22 of 30

Yes

I voted yes. Just keep the equipment/tuning discussions in existing equipment forums - it would not be a good idea to fragment those.
post #23 of 30
yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.

new racer, want to go faster.

awaiting one with bated breath......
post #24 of 30
What LindaA said. Except I am an old racer.
post #25 of 30
yes.
but i think it is important that there not be too much overlap with the existing forums - i.e. maybe only add race specific forums such as media(pics & vids), race results, equipment, etc. But things like off season training should be kept to a minimum to avoid duplication.
post #26 of 30

Racing forum

Quote:
Originally Posted by LindaA
yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.

new racer, want to go faster.

awaiting one with bated breath......
There is no forum or dialog or discourse on the pros or cons of gear or technique, bindings or tips for the just starting out types .... the beer racers or the new parents of the J-set ...

Ski Racing will never run a feature on "waxing on the cheap" .... like "yes that old steam iron will work" ... or "use a Scotch-Brite pad" .... "A windshield ice scraper will work fine" .... etc.



I voted yes, but....

There's TONS of great info for newbs and upper lever racers alike on the forums at Nastar.com. If you're into racing, check it out, they're a great bunch of people.
post #27 of 30
As one of the folks who started SkiRaceTech, I hope that some of the "gene pool" posts over there, too. I have a lot of racing and technical experience under my belt, and hope that some of the folk from here make their way over. The forums at SkiRaceTech are aimed primarily at racing (USSA/Masters/FIS/USCSA/NCAA), so the signal-to-noise ratio should be quite good.

But it all depends on who shows up. So c'mon, folks - head on over, register, and discuss. We don't frown on people cross-posting between there and here, so..... what's keeping you?
post #28 of 30

Yep, I agree...

Quote:
Originally Posted by songfta
As one of the folks who started SkiRaceTech, I hope that some of the "gene pool" posts over there, too. I have a lot of racing and technical experience under my belt, and hope that some of the folk from here make their way over. The forums at SkiRaceTech are aimed primarily at racing (USSA/Masters/FIS/USCSA/NCAA), so the signal-to-noise ratio should be quite good.

But it all depends on who shows up. So c'mon, folks - head on over, register, and discuss. We don't frown on people cross-posting between there and here, so..... what's keeping you?
...I post in both places, and there's not a lot of action going on at SkiRaceTech these days, so feel free. I'll redo my intro post from there FYI...

I'm from Rocky Mountain Masters (RMM). I've been racing Masters for 15 years. RMM is a great division, because we have all four events, including World Cup length GSs at venues like Gold Peak at Vail and Winter Park. I'm on a mission to start winning GSs, but my best events, results-wise, have been SL and DH (go figure).

The guys in my class (Men's Class 7) regularly make the elites in all events...I'm usually starting against 2 or 3 National or International Masters champions. Fun stuff, though. I've raced in 3 Masters Nationals and 3 Internations, the best of which was the 2001 Internationals at Park City, where we raced two GSs on CBs (same hill used for the Men's GS in the 2002 Olympics).

I also have a bunch of articles, both in RMM SnowNews and as separate articles...also my book, Don't Quit Your Day Job. These can all be found at the RMM site:

http://www.rmmskiracing.org/



Go to the "SnowNews and Articles" page and enjoy...note that you have to page through all the SnowNews issues to get to the articles section. One SnowNews you might want to look at is the February 2003 issue, dedicated to the stories of first time downhillers at Ski Cooper...
post #29 of 30
Do it. Old timer, suffering midlife crisis, enrolls in Nastar, makes it to Nationals. Now I gotta figure out how to do it right
post #30 of 30
Quote:
Originally Posted by SkiRacer55
...I post in both places, and there's not a lot of action going on at SkiRaceTech these days, so feel free.
I think that the difference is that, as a whole, the folks here at EpicSki have a major case of 24/7/365 skiing on the brain - not that there's anything wrong with that. A lot of the people posting at SkiRaceTech have flipped into off-season mode for now, and are probably in a "not right now" mode.

Building a site takes time - as mentioned earlier, it took a while for the Instruction forums here to pick up steam. And like I said earlier, we'd love to have some of the Bears come over and talk ski racing. The two forums can exist symbiotically, much like TGR, DCski, Snow Journal and EpicSki all fill their respective niches.
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