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Maggot MA

post #1 of 18
Thread Starter 
Conditions: slightly sun softened hardpack.
skis: 186 Legend pros
me: 5'9'', 170.
post #2 of 18
that would not be MA (movement) but just a picture. (heh)
post #3 of 18
Nice turn. What is that thang you're doing with your elbow?

I think that you would like this turn better with a fierce flexing of the inside ankle.
post #4 of 18
Hell, 65 outside and 21 hour drive to snow> I'll take that turn . .
post #5 of 18
I like the Easter themed arm position.
post #6 of 18

nice laying them over

Nice laying them over seldon, if I were next to you I could see the bottom of your skis and that is cool---
Sunsoftened hardpack is the bomb, no?

Thought for you:

Like he said (Weems). Fiercely flex that inside ankle.

Why? This will fine tune your balance and stack your stance so you will feel stronger in both legs and your butt throughout the turn. It will give you a killer way to create those sick laid-over-like-the-WorldCup-edge angles (i.e. you can now show the bottoms of your skis even more extremely to the roaring crowds alongside the run shaking their cowbells at you, the Herminator).

While you lay those trenches in the snow through your turn, go for a "sharp"-looking inside knee. Do the "sharp knee" by pulling the front half of your foot up to the ceiling of your boot while rolling your arch up to the sky (see Deb Armstrong thread description by her). Another way to think of this ankle flexing "sharp knee" move: bend your ankle to close the gap between the lower shaft and upper instep buckles of your inside boot, while you try to roll those same buckles down to the snow (again see thread).

If you don't flex your inside ankle, you'll end up getting "parked" in the back seat at the end of your turn. It's hard to start the next turn and/or move smoothly from turn to turn this way. The inside leg and your butt feel kinda wimpy, like they could do more than they are now.

Thanks for the photo BTW. If you try the above, send another one.
post #7 of 18

Is you left arm getting ready to pole plant? It looks to me like you may be reaching for the next plant already. If this is the case, ditch the poleplant and work on just sweeping your poles like "antenna." Your upper body also looks a bit counter-rotated. As you're still well into your left-to-right turn, you should be a bit more lined up with your skis and less facing the fall line (or fall line relative to turn shape).

Also, regarding the inside ski, I'd just concentrate on loading and keeping it parallel in places, such as here, that appear to be pretty flat. It looks like you're doing this pretty well on the basis of this one picture. Being in the backseat at the end of the turn is not a bad thing.
post #8 of 18

I see nothing major wrong.

I see that you were inclined at the top of the turn and as the skis are now pointing down the fall-line, some counter is developing and hip angulation is begining. At this point in the turn, it looks like your hips have not yet reached their lowest point.

There is one refinement, and that is your right hand position. It appears to be a little too far back. And the left hand is a touch too forward. This usually points to a bit of upper body rotation on initiation....

For laughs, I would suggest that you could make this turn a little more aggressive, and even more stable, by punching that inside hand a bit downhill upon initiation to get the body inside a bit sooner. You'll be angulating a bit sooner, and carving more cleanly.

If you want to try a drill, then without poles and bear hugging your shoulders, elbows high -- look above the "V" your forearms make. Press forwards with the elbows. Keep the upper body facing downhill. Carve a few turns, and see what happens!

I very much like this turns. Any suggestions I've made are really not all that important, but could be fun to experiment with!

Thanks for posting.
post #9 of 18
The turn looks pretty darn good to me. I really like the way both skis are equally edged and totally in contact with the snow. You look very strong and stable. Excellent turn.

If you're trying to make it even better (I assume?), Weems and Vera make a great suggestion. Flexing that inside knee more severely will allow you to drop the hip even more. That might not be totally necessary on that softer snow and slightly more gentle slope in the photo, but as the slope angle increases and the snow hardens you would create somewhat better angles and edge bite. It might also result in slightly improved squaring of your shoulders and upper body with the slope angle.

Nice conditions.

Is that over at the far skier's-left side of Little Cloud at Snowbird?

If it is, did endlessseason do his speed trial yet?
post #10 of 18
Flexing the inside ANKLE also would bring your hips forward just a touch relative to your outside foot, which would add to the sensation of power Vera describes.
post #11 of 18
I would be SLIGHTLY more forward, SLIGHTLY wider, and probably a little lower, but that's just me.
post #12 of 18
What's a Maggot doing on a groomer?
post #13 of 18
I've found that excessive flexing at the ankle of the inside leg causes added pressure to inside tip without much real turning power added. The result can be diverging tips, the inside ski turning tighter arc and not really doing much of the real work of moving CM across the hill. Also when I concentrate on inside foot articulation, it causes a reduction in processing the feedback from outside edge.

Granted, repetition is the key to instilling these kinds of skiing changes.

In this picture, not bad. The thing about the arm, well, was the hand actually outside and up, kind of inline with shoulders. If so, arm position would be natural as the hand drives down toward next turn, pole plant or not.

post #14 of 18
Thread Starter 
Originally Posted by MilesB
What's a Maggot doing on a groomer?
On his way to do some of this:

and this:

and this:

leading to this:

Actually, it's one of the only sequence of photos I've ever taken on a groomer, so I thought I'd share.
post #15 of 18
I was wondering when you were going to get around to posting those other photos. The top one in your series is an awesome shot!

post #16 of 18

I see you posted some of this

Here is Seldon carving in the correct snow conditions.

Seldon nice Groomed snow carving on 97MM underfoot LP's. You cannot really engage the inside ski untill you are on very steep terrain or @ great speed.

I see in your pick that you are starting to use your inside ski? So you must have been moving pretty fast!
post #17 of 18
For a MA thread, I'm surprised you didn't post this. Nice turn, even if half of it is in the air. Phunk in bad news right? (-2 points for frame 4)

Seldon, you have been putting up some really nice skiing this year.
post #18 of 18
I actually like the photo from MTT in the fresh better for overall form than the groomed photo. The inside hand is still a bit back, but you've lost the counterrotation in the upper body, which is a good thing to lose for a big turn. Inside shoulder could be a bit higher, but get it higher through bending your spine, not moving your hips. You still look like you're swinging the arms to pole-plant. I really would try losing any semblance of a pole-plant on your GS-style turns for a bit; also, maybe watch some GS-race footage in addition to some TGR Alaska footie, you'll see that a lot of people don't even flick their wrist anymore, and even people like Maier and Paerson [sp?], while they do flick the pole, generally don't actually plant, and flick only through the wrist.

Regarding using the inside ski, remember, the outside ski is always stronger, so an outside-ski dominant turn is what you want where it's really steep or when making a really hard, laid-over turn while going really fast (on either grommers or soft snow). The inside ski shines for support but gets weighted progressibely more, up to 50/50, as things flatten and/or straighten out. You look like you're using both skis well and they're parallel, so I wouldn't be too conscious of how you're weighting the skis at this point.
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