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Allstar vs Superspeed

post #1 of 14
Thread Starter 
Besides the the 1 or 2 mm difference between the tips and tails, and the 1.5 mm radius difference. What are the real differences between these 2 skis? Weight? Speed? Does one handel better on groomers than the other?
post #2 of 14
I haven't skied the superspeed but own the Allstars. One difference is stiffness. The superspeed is a lot stiffer. Allstar not all that stiff at all.
post #3 of 14
I have skied a '06 Allstar (178 or 76 ?) and a '05 Superspeed (182).
The Superspeed has no speed limit that I could reach (duh), a superb edgehold. It was also very heavy, very stiff and not tolerant of relaxed pace, short curves and skidding. A good ski foor bombing the groomers, but very 'uni-dimensional'. And physicaly demanding.
The Allstar is very close of the good points of the Superspeed, and is much more versatile and fun. It can carve small radius turns quite easily, can skid if necessary, will be more tolerant of technical mistakes. Much more lively and feels lighter too.
Those are very different skis, and I vastly prefer the Allstar. A really great ski IMO.
A search on this forum will provide lot of feedback on it BTW...
post #4 of 14
The Superspeed is for real men. Everyone else should stick to the Allstar.
post #5 of 14
Thread Starter 
Do you think the superspeed would be more foregiving in a smaller ski, like a 168?
post #6 of 14
I own the Superspeeds in a 175cm length. I'm 5' 11", 180#. I mainly use them on hard snow/ice days but have skied them in other conditions. I have found them to be fairly versital. I can make it do short turns but I have to pay attention to my technique in order to do that. I do take them into moguls where once again I need to be technically correct in order to do so. I've skied powder, crud and slush on them and they handled all three okay. Overall I don't find the Superspeeds to be as punishing as some people have but that might be because I don't use them for my everyday ski. The days that I'm on them are usually days where I work on my techniqical skills due to poor conditions.
post #7 of 14
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So it sounds to be an overwhelming vote for the Allstars over the Superspeeds.

I b/c im looking for a ski that I can really get moving on, for groomers and powder and that has that short turn and pop ability. Yet I want it to be forgiving at the same time when i get out of my form or when I wanna take it into the trees and off-piste at times. I been also looking at the Elan Ripstick and S12 (leaving more to the S12), and RX8.....but it seem that the Allstar just has that overall appel that most skiiers are looking for in speed and turing, as well as forgivness when you mess up.
post #8 of 14
Firegold, all I can say is that I was very happy (amazed, really) with the off-piste performance of the Allstars when I took them on a maiden voyage last week. I haven't been on the Superspeeds but I'll say the Allstar is a great all-around ski considering how good they are on hard snow. If you want versatility this has it.
post #9 of 14
Thread Starter 
What height and weight for those who ski the Allstar are you, and what size Allstars do you ride?
post #10 of 14
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Originally Posted by Firegold
So it sounds to be an overwhelming vote for the Allstars over the Superspeeds.

I b/c im looking for a ski that I can really get moving on, for groomers and powder and that has that short turn and pop ability. Yet I want it to be forgiving at the same time when i get out of my form or when I wanna take it into the trees and off-piste at times. I been also looking at the Elan Ripstick and S12 (leaving more to the S12), and RX8.....but it seem that the Allstar just has that overall appel that most skiiers are looking for in speed and turing, as well as forgivness when you mess up.
Sounds like an AC4 would be a better choice for you. The Allstar is a killer ski... but powder ain't it's thing. I've owned both and the AC4 is more like what you describe. Don't get me wrong... the Allstar is everything people rave about but it's not nearly as versitile. If you are going for a one ski quiver the AC4 is untouchable IMO. If you are looking for more carving ability the Allstar is about as good as it gets.

Good luck!

<M
post #11 of 14
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Originally Posted by Moods
Sounds like an AC4 would be a better choice for you. The Allstar is a killer ski... but powder ain't it's thing. I've owned both and the AC4 is more like what you describe. Don't get me wrong... the Allstar is everything people rave about but it's not nearly as versitile. If you are going for a one ski quiver the AC4 is untouchable IMO. If you are looking for more carving ability the Allstar is about as good as it gets.

Good luck!

<M
Seconded.
The Allstar is quite good in a few inches of snow for a ski around 70mm. But it is strongly groomer oriented nonetheless. And, IMO, the Superspeed sucks at anything ungroomed.
post #12 of 14
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If I get the Allstars i plan on using is for my eastcoast skiing when im w/ my family on hardpack/groomers and the very occational powder I see when I get up to parts of VT. Other wise I see a lot more ice b/c I ski in Pa a lot, get up to VT a couple time a season, and plan on looking for another ski for my 1-2 trips a season out west. I want the ski i get to be something I can take my time w/ when im cruising (on blues and greens) but also something that can really rip when im off by myself (whatever I can find to fly down, and huck myself off of, on/off piste, whatever)
post #13 of 14
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Originally Posted by Firegold
What height and weight for those who ski the Allstar are you, and what size Allstars do you ride?
I am 1,75m. (~5'10") and 72 kg. (~165 lbs.) and quite satisfied with my Allstars 168. The radius (14.8m.) is a little longer than a Slalom ski but very easy to change, as I can do longer turns as easy as shorter ones. You won't regret it. An excellent on-piste machine with unbelievable edging. Enjoy .
post #14 of 14
Thread Starter 
Thxs b/c thats the size I was looking at getting. Im 5'11, 175 and I thought that the 168's would be a good fit for me.
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