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Neox Binding Position Adjustment

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Following a recent thread on this subject I've received a number of PM's requesting instructions & pics so I thought I'd post them.

ATOMIC NEOX 412 BINDING POSITION ADJUSTMENT

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Tip of ski to the left. The grey plastic 'switch piece' indicator points to the forward (left) position. Boot length size is centred in the windows. 31cm shown as my boot sole length is 314mm & Atomic’s instructions recommend that you round down to the nearest cm, hence 31cm. You then use the forward pressure screw for the final adjustment (see pic 8).

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Undo the screw in the switch piece with a #3 posidrive screwdriver & lift off the switch piece containing the undone screw.

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With the switch piece removed the two binding position threaded holes can be seen. The left one (towards the tip) is used for the forward position & the right one (towards the tail) for the central position.

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Remove the black plastic middle cover piece by lifting/jiggling it upwards to expose the front & rear binding boot length scales.

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The notch in the black plastic base plate shows the boot length scale alignment position for the forward position. As you can see the 31cm marks (for my boots) on each scale are aligned with this.

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The raised line on the side of the base plate shows the alignment position for the two boot length scales should the central position be required.

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To alter the binding position (or the boot length) slightly raise & separate both boot length scales to release the locating teeth underneath then slide/tap the bindings in the desired direction so that both boot length scales match either the forward position notch or the central position line. Replace the middle cover & then the switch piece, pointing of course to the appropriate forward or central ‘label’ on the middle piece. The boot length scale should read the same in both windows, ie 31 in both windows for a 310mm boot length.

Pic 8
With boot installed in the binding the forward adjustment screw should be flush with the face of the inner recess of the binding housing. Note: This screw must ONLY be adjusted with the boot removed from the binding or the internal ratchet/thread can be damaged.

Pic 9
The right hand arrow shows the ski’s centre indicator mark moulded on to the black base plate. The left hand arrow shows my boot’s centre mark. If my bindings were set to the central position then the boot centre line would be above the ski’s centre line. As my bindings are in the forward position the boot centre line is about 1cm forward (towards the ski tip) of the ski’s centre line.

Pic 10
Boot colour must always match skis!

Further Information:
It is perfectly acceptable to play around with the fore/aft binding position to find a position that suits you best however, most people ski the b5’s at the forward setting. After being ‘Campbell Balanced’ I now ski mine about 1cm further forward than the forward position (not shown in the pics).

If you use anything other than the standard factory forward or central positions, the correct boot length numbers will no longer appear in the switch piece windows. Instead the boot length figures in window, when added together & divided by two, should equal your boot length. You don’t need to round down to the nearest cm as stated in the Pic 1 note as this isn’t always possible. For example, to achieve the ‘1cm even further forward’ position on my b5’s the toe binding window reads 325 & the heel binding window reads 305.

Rather than a ‘whole’ number being centred in the switch piece window, for a 325mm toe length simply centre the line on the scale that’s between the 32 & 33 in the middle of the window, & then centre the line on the heel binding scale that’s between the 30 & 31 in the middle of the window. Therefore 325+305=630 divided by 2 = 315 for my boot length of 314mm. Don’t forget to reset the forward pressure adjustment as per Pic 8.
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Great instructions, helped me out a lot when I had to set my bindings. Many thanks!

Btw, which NEOX model is newer, the ones where the central grey piece is held by a screw or where you push a button to open a hatch for adjustment?
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Well done spyderjon

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Originally Posted by ahzarit View Post
where you push a button to open a hatch for adjustment?
Are you sure you're not thinking of Tyrolia designs here?
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Are you sure you're not thinking of Tyrolia designs here?
Defenetly Atomic Neox, my bro rented SX12s while i had SXB5 both with Neox 4-12 but his bindings look just al ittle bit different including the hatch with a button for the adjustment.
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Great instructions, helped me out a lot when I had to set my bindings. Many thanks!

Btw, which NEOX model is newer, the ones where the central grey piece is held by a screw or where you push a button to open a hatch for adjustment?
AFAIK, the one where you push a button to open a hatch is known as the Neox+, which is the demo/rental version of the retail binding. It's not newer or older, for there's a Neox+ model for every Neox model year. It is, however, certainly heavier.
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Very nice instructions - could have used this 6 weeks ago!
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What brake arm width?

I need some Neox bindings for a pair of '05-'06 Atomic SL-9s (65mm waist).
Would 81 mm brakes be too wide for these skis? I think 76 mm are recommended. I know the Atomic experts here will know!

Thanks,

Joseph Graham
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I'm curious, what did the balancing do for you? What problem were you having and what was the result of moving forward the additional 1 cm? Thans!
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I'm curious, what did the balancing do for you? What problem were you having and what was the result of moving forward the additional 1 cm? Thans!
Follow Me, sorry for the delay in responding.

To be honest I wasn't having any problems & I didn't notice the difference. However, I need to qualify that statement. I ws tested by Steve Bagley at Superior Ski store in Snowbird & my Campbell Balancer 'score' is +9cm which means that I should ideally have my bindings positioned so that the front of my boots are 9cm in front of the CRS (Centre of Running Surface) of the ski.

The forward position of the Neox's on my B5's equalled +8cm. Steve advised me that a skier would be able to naturally compensate for a binding position that is no more than a cm 'out'. Any more than that & the skier need to use muscular effort to stay in balance. That's why I didn't notice the difference in the position adjustment.

I've since set-up my binding position to +9cm on my SX-B5's, M:EX's & Sugar Daddy's & I can say that I feel totally 'balanced' on all of them irrespective of whether I'm on hardpack or in a few feet of fresh.

I'm now a big fan of Campbell Balancing & have made my own balancer on which I also score +9cm. A good number (approx 20 so far) of my customers have been on my balancer & I'd say that about 80% of them have a score that's very close to their existing binding position. However the other 20% are way out, usually by at least 4/5cm or more.

Many of my customers are skiing on the Scott Missions & it's interesting that this ski has a very forward boot centre mark in relation to the CRS - maybe that's why user's say it skis so well on piste for a wide ski? In fact, a couple of customers would have to move their Mission bindings back a couple of cm to match their Campbell score.
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Thanks Spyderjon! I think I woulf benefit from that. anyone know of a shop with the Campbell Dynamic Balancer in the Tahoe/Truckee/Reno area?
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