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post #31 of 44
We seem to be going in circles here, so I'll leave youwith this one tongue-in-cheek thought:

If what the OP says is correct, then our easy blues are same as your blacks, so we would then be skiing the same terrain anyway
post #32 of 44
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Originally Posted by Powdr
If what the OP says is correct, then our easy blues are same as your blacks, so we would then be skiing the same terrain anyway
Your "easy blues" are the same as Breck's "Blacks"? That's funny.
post #33 of 44
I think it would be more accurate to say that Breck's blacks are the same as most places blues. I think some of the blues at A-Basin are actually steeper than Breck's blacks. There's a reason why people call it Breckenflat.
post #34 of 44
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Originally Posted by Harry Dunn
I think it would be more accurate to say that Breck's blacks are the same as most places blues. I think some of the blues at A-Basin are actually steeper than Breck's blacks. There's a reason why people call it Breckenflat.
And they also call it RockinRidge because of all the rocks poking up through the snow..
post #35 of 44
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Originally Posted by Harry Dunn
I think some of the blues at A-Basin are actually steeper than Breck's blacks.
The only blacks that may compare with A-Basin's blues are those that Breck intentionally upgrades like Pika to keep intermediates off the T-bar.

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There's a reason why people call it Breckenflat.
Didn't you just make a recent post about the Lake Chutes being 50 degrees. Breck has a lot of lift served pitches that are 40-55 degrees. The blacks at Breck are similar to all in Summit/Eagle County.
post #36 of 44
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Originally Posted by cal to colorado
And they also call it RockinRidge because of all the rocks poking up through the snow..
I bet you've skied Breck about 5 days right? And, I bet you've been on the hill zero days in the summer, right? You are surely the expert.
post #37 of 44
[quote=breckview]The only blacks that may compare with A-Basin's blues are those that Breck intentionally upgrades like Pika to keep intermediates off the T-bar.[quote/]

This is a very good point. There are quite a few runs that Breckenridge intentionally upgrades to steer traffic in other directions. Shock would be an excellent example of this...they would rather have questionable Intermediates use Union to get to the Super Connect for access to Peak 8 from Peak 9. The area has also worked hard to maintain runs as escape routes for those who get in over their heads. Pika is a good example of this....Leave it to bump up and/or get the usual wind pack in that area and it is an expert run....groom it, so those who get in over their head can escape and it becomes a rather tame black run.


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Originally Posted by breckview
Didn't you just make a recent post about the Lake Chutes being 50 degrees. Breck has a lot of lift served pitches that are 40-55 degrees. The blacks at Breck are similar to all in Summit/Eagle County.
Breckenridge's problem is that it's steep terrain is short. Make no mistake there is no lack of steep terrain. I have yet to see anyone venture on to the last cornice in the Lake Chutes and it is inbounds and open. With exception to some of the chutes on the East Wall at the Basin (which one must hike to get to), I am sure that areas of Horseshoe Bowl are some of the steepest skiing in the county. (Proof is watching Fastman finish turns across the fall line ) I have often seen people loose it in this area (with excellent snow conditions) and do the "50 mph slide for life" to the bottom.

There is steep terrain at Breck...you just need to know where to find it.
post #38 of 44
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Originally Posted by Harry Dunn
I think it would be more accurate to say that Breck's blacks are the same as most places blues. I think some of the blues at A-Basin are actually steeper than Breck's blacks. There's a reason why people call it Breckenflat.
Keep in mind here that a lot of places also don't use a double black diamond designation.

I'd be interested in hearing the specific names of the trails at A-Basin and Breckenridge that you are referring to.
post #39 of 44
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Originally Posted by Uncle Louie
Breckenridge's problem is that it's steep terrain is
short.
That's definitely true. But the upside is that Breck's runs are about the perfect length for me to do non-stop laps.

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I am sure that areas of Horseshoe Bowl are some of the steepest skiing in the county.
The steepest line in Horseshoe Bowl is Lulu and it's 42-48 degrees depending on how it's been loaded. I've never seen it at 50 degrees but I think it's possible. Everything past Easy Street in Lake Chutes is steeper.
post #40 of 44
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Originally Posted by breckview
The only blacks that may compare with A-Basin's blues are those that Breck intentionally upgrades like Pika to keep intermediates off the T-bar.


Didn't you just make a recent post about the Lake Chutes being 50 degrees. Breck has a lot of lift served pitches that are 40-55 degrees. The blacks at Breck are similar to all in Summit/Eagle County.
Nope, I'm not aware of any post I've made recently saying the Lake Chutes are 50 degrees.

Yes, there are a few spots where there's steep terrain at Breck. However, that stuff may account for a few hundred acres out of 2000+. Its generally very flat, and that's the reputation around here. I'm just saying- if I want to ski steeper terrain in or around Summit County, I'm not going to Breckenridge.
post #41 of 44
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Originally Posted by Harry Dunn
Nope, I'm not aware of any post I've made recently saying the Lake Chutes are 50 degrees.
Yea, I think it was DefJef. I apologize.

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Yes, there are a few spots where there's steep terrain at Breck. However, that stuff may account for a few hundred acres out of 2000+.
Let's see:

30-40+ degrees
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* Horseshoe,contest,cucumber Bowls (~80 acres)
* south side of Peak 10. (~90 acres)
* north side of Peak 9 (Needles Eye to East Windows). (~175 acres)
* Lake Chutes area. (~50 acres)
* South face of Peak 7 above the Independence chair. (~100 acres)
* Boundary Chutes area (~50 acres)
* Mach 1 to Southern Cross area of south side of Peak 8 (110 acres)

Total = ~655 acres
(acres conservatively estimated off topo)

This doesn't include any runs rated "Black" some of which are also over 30 degrees.

I believe the entire A-basin ski area is around 500 acres.

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Its generally very flat, and that's the reputation around here. I'm just saying- if I want to ski steeper terrain in or around Summit County, I'm not going to Breckenridge.
Well around there (Denver I assume), apparently rumors and uninformed assumptions trump truth. But think about how badass you look calling Breck flat and being an A-Basin "local".
post #42 of 44
Right. Breck rules. That's why everyone who skis in CO a lot goes there all the time. Its not worth arguing... you like your ski areas, I like mine. Good for both of us.
post #43 of 44
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Right. Breck rules.
Rules what?

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That's why everyone who skis in CO a lot goes there all the time. Its not worth arguing...
You're right. Breck REALLY has a problem with not enough front range skiers...

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... you like your ski areas, I like mine. Good for both of us.
I don't really have my own ski area. I just live at one. FWIW, I like all ski areas. You'll never hear me say anything negative about any of them.
post #44 of 44
I agree with SB77 that Keystone is underappreciated. The North Peak has very fun bump runs in Ambush, Powder Cap, Cat Dancer and Geronimo if the coverage is ok. Ambush and Powder Cap are north facing and have snowmaking so the coverage is usually good. The Outback has relatively easy tree skiing in Pika and Wildfire and good bump runs on the other side - Bushwacker, Badger, The Grizz with more tree skiing down a fall line. I haven't been in the windows area nor hiked the back bowls as the people I go with don't want to go there.
It is in a snow shadow with significantly less snow than the other resorts. And it has so many bad skiers (way out of control and dangerous) on the blue runs - Mozart can be scary for that reason. But if you stay on the blacks you're safe.
My wife likes it because we can ski on parallel trails or on trails that have half groomed half bumps. She also likes the daycare at Keystone, although we didn't use it this year. And most importantly the INXSPOT - a great bookstore/coffee shop/full bar with good martini's and single malts and very comfy couches and chairs to sit in. She quits early and reads a book, drinks, snacks until I'm done.

I have to admit I haven't liked Breck when I've skied there, but clearly have been on the wrong parts of the mountain and will give it another try next year. I hope with somebody who knows the mountain well.

Steep at Vail - Prima Cornice
Steep at A-Basin - East Wall, Pali, West Turbo, the Alleys, Gauthier
A-Basin doesn't inclued the East wall or Gauthier in there 490 acres - below from Pali's Pitch email news letter -
*We report 100% of our terrain as open when 100% of our 490 advertised acres is open. Some of our terrain including the East Wall and Gauthier are not included in the 490 acres, so they may be closed when we are reporting 100% of terrain open.
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