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What makes a "Jr." ski a Jr. ski?

post #1 of 14
Thread Starter 
I'm a complete newbie ski racer. I was thinking, based on what I've read so far, that since I am inexperienced, and a quite slim, light guy, at 5'9" and 140, that maybe I can't bend a race stock ski into a turn, and perhaps I should try a Junior ski.

So, what exactly IS a Junior racing ski?

Thanks,,

jv
post #2 of 14
It is designed to have a softer longitudonal flex that will allow a lighter, weaker racer to bend it. As well, torsional flex may be softer to allow the ski to be less locked into the arc, a characteristic that requires more muscle to make the ski do what you want it to do.

How old are you? A junior ski is really made for someone who is weak and light. If you are somewhat strong, even at your weight, I would go for an adult race ski. A non-race stock ski will be more forgiving but not necessarily easier to bend.
post #3 of 14
At 140 lbs, I would say you could bend an adult race ski at speed.
post #4 of 14
What class are you racing in?

USSA? Beer League?

What is your background? How long have you been skiing/how often?

There are some Junior skis with race labels and then there are some real race skis.

When you sort that out, you are going to expand your range of options. You may or may not need "legal gear" ... but be wary of off the shelf "civilian" race skis; my old Volkls were junk and no where near the real deals.

SL ... GS .. SG ... what do you have in mind?
post #5 of 14
Thread Starter 

More detail

I'm 49, and I think I'm pretty strong. I played hockey in college, as a light weight, fast wing. I sail, scuba, ride motorcycles, etc. My current bike is a BMW R1100RT at 620 lb. and I can handle it pretty well.

The racing I'm starting in the fall is Nastar at a local hill - I guess it qualifies as beer league.

I have already purchased Atomic LT:11 skis, but I continue to look and evaluate my options.

I am attracted to the apparent versatility of pure race skis, in that the plate selected and boot position on the ski, cant, ramp, and so forth are infintely adjustable.

The LT:11 (I think) has a factory installed binding system mount that you are stuck with regardless of what you'd like to do. (Is this so? There is a paucity of information on Atomic's website about the bindign mounting system on the LT:11 ski. I shoudl receive mine today, adn the new Neox binding is waiting to go on).

The other race ski I'm looking at is a Volkl Racetiger, adn there are some Volkl Racetiger Jr. skis available cheap. According to the Volkl web site these are the same construction adn core material (Power/Sensorwood) as their race stock skis. Teh length goes up to 170 cm which is what I'd want also. Their site doesn't specify a radius except to say it's FIS legal (>21m?), with a sidecut of 104-63-91 in 170.

Thanks,

jv
post #6 of 14
You do not have to worry about "legal" in NASTAR. Any race ski at this point is probably not a bad place to start and a 170 should be a comfortable length for your weight.

What you are going to find out this coming season is that you will have lots to work on and many look at the "gear" as the "silver or magic bullet"; it's not.

Where your equipment may start to fail you, is that as you develop speed and encounter hard or icy courses, the cap skis may leave a lot to be desired. Granted, it has been five or six years since I tried Atomic (and switched from Volkl) .... "off the rack" skis and went over to straight side wall "race stock". And, yeah ... I know the new Atomic's on the WC are "caps", just don't be fooled by too much hype.

Concentrate on starts, learning line ...... and .... doing your own edge and wax work, now that you have the skis.

Did I mention doing your own edges and waxing?

Spend a few bucks on a ski vise and a file guide to do your side edges ... don't touch the bases.
post #7 of 14
How long skiing and how often ... and where?
post #8 of 14
Thread Starter 

Radius

Thanks. I would have bought a race stock ski except that I coudlnt' find one the had less than a 21 m radius, and was advised that a smaller radius was necessary to be effective on the Nastar course in quesiton (which I believe is good advice!). Is there a race construction ski in 170 with a radius of ~17m? For Volkl, the answer is no unless you get the Junior. It would be nice if they gave the flex specifications.
post #9 of 14
The answer is that you can find a race stock .... type ski ..

You do not need a 21m ski for NASTAR .... many of our strong (but lighterJ-2 racers who have to transition to legal (180/21m) ... find one with a softer flex .... or ... if your macho can handle it .... a womans ski!

There are compromise skis ... the Stockli SC will give you a ski that is "race stock", hand made, straight sidewall. They are a bit harder to find than the "usual suspects", but you get the race performance too.

There are other compromise skis out there that will do the job, just realize that there is a big leap between NASTAR and real GS .... the last thing you need is a real GS ski. I went from Volkl GS @ 185 & 193 ... down to a 178 Stockli GS .. and sold them ... to much ski ... and that was at 178 ... in NASTAR it would have been impossible. I was 52 and 170 pounds.
post #10 of 14

Stockli Laser SC 168cm...Great Segway, Ed...

...."There are compromise skis ... the Stockli SC will give you a ski that is "race stock", hand made, straight sidewall. They are a bit harder to find than the "usual suspects", but you get the race performance too."...

FS Stockli Laser SC 168cm w Marker MRR On A Floating Plate...

hey, kidz...

Stockli Laser/Race SC 168cm ('01-'02) w Marker MRR On A Floating Plate $350+ship.

dimensions: 106/62/92 w a radius of 13m...binding set for a 321mm sole plate.

i tune all my own racing skis (1 dz currently)...none of them have ever been stone ground. all have 100% fluoro. all edges maintained to 3/1.

lots of metal on the edges, very minor top sheet scrapes, chips & scratches. bases are excellent!

for those who are into color coordinating their skis...flat grey ski & hot red binding!!:

if you need a pix, email me at: bruceacim@gmail.com

thnx,

bruce marks
post #11 of 14
I'm not a racer so I stand to be corrected, but I think you should take a close look at a Fischer WC RC, and a Solomon Equipe GC; in terms of performance ability at your weight and turn radius, they shoud be a pretty good fit.
post #12 of 14
Quote:
Originally Posted by jviss
Is there a race construction ski in 170 with a radius of ~17m? For Volkl, the answer is no ....
Check out the Volkl Racetiger Race Carver for 07. I'm currently playing with it in a 168 with a 16+ radius. This will replace the 06 Racetiger GS Racing. This being your initial foray into racing, this ski will fit the bill perfectly. And it is a great ski out of the course. Be sure to stay above 170 in length for your Nastar pursuits.

Another consideration is the Nordica Dobermann Pro GS or Pro RC.
post #13 of 14
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by whygimf
Check out the Volkl Racetiger Race Carver for 07. I'm currently playing with it in a 168 with a 16+ radius. This will replace the 06 Racetiger GS Racing.
Thanks, but this is not hte race stock construction and is a "system binding" ski, which is what (I think) I have with the Atomic LT:11. I was interested in a flat race cosntruction ski that I could put a race plate on, etc. But, I appreciate the suggestion!

Quote:
Originally Posted by whygimf
Be sure to stay above 170 in length for your Nastar pursuits.
I didn't think there was any equipment rule for Nastar. Is there?
post #14 of 14
Well there are some decent junior GS race skis in length up to 175/176 cm. At normally under 300€ with bindings in Europe there actually the ski to get if you want a racestock ski with a 18-21m radius, soft flex and really performant. Sometimes they are exactly the same than the womens race skis but cheaper.
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