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Q: Best stiff Volkl fat ski?

post #1 of 22
Thread Starter 
I live in Park City UT and need a new "fat" ski to resplace my 4 year old twin tip Volkl Explosives. I am 6'3" and 185lbs and ski between 30 and 40 days per winter. I've got a rotation going where I buy a new ski every year, replacing one of my three pairs of ski based on need. Currently, my arsenal includes: '02 Volkl Explosiv 180cm (twin tip powder/crud ski), '05 Volkl Superspeed 182cm (without question an amazingly stable ski for adrenaline days), and '06 Volkl Racetiger SL Race Stock 165cm (for those days I want to crank turns on the groomers)... This season, I seem to be skiing my Explosives more than 3/4 of the time (due to a consistant pounding of snow), and want to replace them with a Volkl fat ski for pow/crud.... but the key criteria is that I want a stiff fat ski with POP... Through the local shop, I have heard that Mantra would fit the bill (184cm variant) but am open to the Karma and Gotama... Any feedback ragarding my criteria? I want to get in some demo days before the season ends... Thx.
post #2 of 22
I'm 5'10", 165# and ski over 40 days yearly at Vail.
LOVE my 184 Mantra for powder & crud.
I haven't skied the Karma but from reports it doesn't sound like it would fit your criteria. Gotama is fatter and I'm told softer than the Mantra - more soft snow oriented.
post #3 of 22
Hate to say it, but the ski you want is an explosiv if you only want volkl.
The mantra this year has had lots of reports of questionable build quality and it honestly is no where near the stiffness of the explosiv. Personally, I dont like the extra sidecut or semi-twinned tail either. Also at your weight, I think you could handle the 190 explosiv just fine. Im 165# and ski the 180s (square tail) and have no trouble anywhere...if anything its made me a much better skier.

If you want fat and stiff and a quality ride, i would also urge you to look at some other ski manufacturers, particularly the smaller ones. I would reccomend....

188 Stiff Bro www.pmgearusa.com
185 Stiff MidFat Kingswood www.kingswoodskis.com
191 Armada ANT or VCT

and finally, anything from capital, igneous, or dp...although youre looking at a lot of money on those last 2. (~900-1000)

edit: doh, I forgot some other good choices

184 Rossi B-Squad
186 Dynastar Legend Pro
188 Blizzard Titan 9 or Titan Pro
post #4 of 22
Why are you just strictly sticking to the Volkls? There are plenty of excellent fat skis out there. Atomic Sugar Daddies, for your size might want to look into the Pimp Addition. Elan 777, and the Head Monster im88 or if you want a twin tip the Head Mojo90 are all excellent Powder skis. By the way what shop do you do business with? Jans has all thier stuff at 40% off right now.
post #5 of 22
I love the Mantras but have limited fat ski experience being from the east. I'm 205# lean and ski hard and they are stiff enough for me.
post #6 of 22
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Originally Posted by ski=free
I love the Mantras but have limited fat ski experience being from the east. I'm 205# lean and ski hard and they are stiff enough for me.
The Mantra is an excellent fat/all-rounder ski for a wide range of PNW show conditions. It's almost a perfect board for Mt. Baker, and, yes, they have plenty of beef.

However, they're not intended as a "pure" powder ski. The Mantra's feature a surprisingly ample sidecut, to ensure strong front-side performance. Hence, Mantra's have become anointed as excellent all-rounders for areas such as Tahoe or Baker.

More specialized powder skis such as: Atomic Sugar Daddies, Volkl Gautama, or Rossignol Quads, are targeted to deep powder snow with little concern for the niceties of the front-side. Hence this group offers less all-round functionality, and less sidecut, but provides a greater dosage of unadulterated pure powder performance.
post #7 of 22
I'll second what pechelman said and recommend going with one of the smaller manufacturers. Have heard PLENTY of great things about the 188 Stiff Bro, but not the opportunity to test drive the same. I will be getting the 188 soft because I am advised by those in the know that the soft really isn't that soft. I like rebound in the pow (hence my preference for the soft). Plenty of reviews of Bros can be found on TGR if you can't find enough info here.

BTW - the guys @ PM Gear just committed to keeping their manufacturing in the USA and moving it back to the states from Canada (were contemplating the move to China). Big ups for that decision. They are buying a press and will gain control over their manufacturing process. Consider helping one of the little guys and getting an extremely light/high quality product in exchange. Sounds like a good trade off to me....
post #8 of 22
Yeah, I don't think volkl has any wide offerings that are stiff enough for what you are looking for...

186 Legend Pro...period....maybe the Rossi B-Squad (go longer...do they make a 189...that would be it)....I just demoed the 194 B-Squad and found it to be very late 90's stiff pow ski ish...fairly easy, skiddable, smearable, planky...kind of like the 190 explosiv...

...I personally like the legend pro better....I find it more supple and absorbing (quieter when maching through chop)....just the perfect flex for me...and at your size it'll be plenty maneuverable...you'll be amazed how you can get in a race stance and arc perfectly quiet turns going 40mph in chopped up pow...the LP does it all and does it all well (even groomers)...

...the Bro is a different animal all together....very light and great in pow & spring mang...it'll feel very different though, but if you plan on touring or hiking a lot you should definitely look at it...I have this for my touring setup...

...the Ant is supposed to be sort of a lighter legend pro-ish stiff ski...perhaps worth a gander too...

my $0.02...fwiw - I'm 34 yo, 6'/175
post #9 of 22

Lots of Good advice here

There was allot of sound advice here regarding Fat (Big Mountain Skis)
Interesting thing is the guy who started the thread never came back to read the answers to the question.

Was he a Volki TROLL?

Anyway, nice tread with thoughtful advice.
Lost to the originator of the tread
post #10 of 22
Thread Starter 
No, not lost on the thread originator... I did read the posts (numerous times by the way) - and completely appreciated the various feedback. I must say that I am quite dismayed that Volkl doesn't offer a quiver for my skiing style. So after absorbing that initial horror, coupled with numerous hours in counseling, I am determined to spend the early part of next season riding the aforementioned selection of boards - and I am really looking forward to it!

Also - thanks to everyone for the quick replies. I will work on my web board edicate. I now need to lose the TROLL stigma...
post #11 of 22
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Originally Posted by 94speedster
No, not lost on the thread originator... I did read the posts (numerous times by the way) - and completely appreciated the various feedback. I must say that I am quite dismayed that Volkl doesn't offer a quiver for my skiing style. So after absorbing that initial horror, coupled with numerous hours in counseling, I am determined to spend the early part of next season riding the aforementioned selection of boards - and I am really looking forward to it!

Also - thanks to everyone for the quick replies. I will work on my web board edicate. I now need to lose the TROLL stigma...
If you want a stiff ski, wide enough for powder (and assuming you have the coin to drop on 'em) you might consider the Stokli Stormrider DP. A friend of mine who swore by Volkls skis nothing but them anymore, but they are spendy.
post #12 of 22
Thread Starter 
That Stockli sounds pretty good - thanks for the advice! I will definitely look into it!
post #13 of 22
Hey everyone.. i am in Vail and the snow keeps falling! I mean lots! I brought with me 70 underfoot and needed to rent a ski. I have a Vokl but not sure model.... 92 underfoot...Any other suggestions for renting? Need to test drive the right skis for the quiver. 5'2/130/f no you do not need to know age....Thanks
post #14 of 22
From Volkl? Try a Kiku.

From anyone? Go find a Line Pandora.
post #15 of 22
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Originally Posted by Darcy View Post
Hey everyone.. i am in Vail and the snow keeps falling! I mean lots! I brought with me 70 underfoot and needed to rent a ski. I have a Vokl but not sure model.... 92 underfoot...Any other suggestions for renting? Need to test drive the right skis for the quiver. 5'2/130/f no you do not need to know age....Thanks
Head to Troy's by the VistaBahn in Vail Village. They have the best selection of fat ski rentals.

PS: NWS is calling for another 8-20" over the next 48 hrs. Whooo-hooo !
post #16 of 22
Id definitely consider trying a blizzard argos. fairly stiff ski not a ton of sidecut. But dont rule out the mantra it rips
post #17 of 22
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Originally Posted by MTT View Post
Was he a Volki TROLL?
There's no such thing as an Explosiv twin tip.

HB
post #18 of 22
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Originally Posted by HarkinBanks View Post
There's no such thing as an Explosiv twin tip.

HB
I could of sworn there was a pair attached to the feet of a girl I shared a chair lift with the other day.
post #19 of 22
Volkl twins:

Gotama
Bridge
Wall
V-ski
Karma
Chopstick


Not twins:

Explosiv
Mantra
P9's
P10's
724's
AC's (AC-30, AC-40, AC-50)
G's (G3, G4, G40, AX4)
post #20 of 22
Wizard Explosivs (forget what year that was) were twin tipped.

Volkl doesn't make anything that's like an Explosiv anymore. I guess the Mantra is the closest, but IMO it feels way different than an Explosiv.
post #21 of 22
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Originally Posted by Jer View Post
Wizard Explosivs (forget what year that was) were twin tipped.

Volkl doesn't make anything that's like an Explosiv anymore. I guess the Mantra is the closest, but IMO it feels way different than an Explosiv.
Yes, you are correct, there was the "V-Explosiv", also known as the "Gandalf" ski that was a twin tip. 2004, I think.

One other correction, the "V-ski" was the "V-Pro".

When I think of Explosiv's, I think of the red/maroon ski with the Budha on it.
post #22 of 22
good history of the explosive on TGR right now too.

the wizard topsheet is the same ski as all the other explosives, just cool topsheet, and small twin (flaired tail)
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