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I look like Chris Farley when I'm skiing

post #1 of 17
Thread Starter 
Seriously. My stance is almost as though I'm squatting, I'm broken at the waist, and my arms look like they're wrapped around a keg of beer.

The good is that my feet aren't together and my hands and my head are up. I know my hips aren't forward at all and I'm not getting enough pressure on the front of my boots and my upper body is following my ski tips and not going downhill.

What are the chances that I missing one or two important things and fixing those could make a huge difference? Could it be as simple as my boots (I'm looking to get fitted for new ones. I think my fit is decent but not great and the flex is not good - soft but not progressive)?

I've often tried to get my hips forward, but it's something I've had trouble doing. I don't think I know what it feels like.

I'm not trying to have perfect form. I just want to ski very challenging terrain and I know I can't skiing the way I do.

Here's two pics that are from too far away. I'm the person in the back. I'll try to find some other ones to post later.



post #2 of 17
Can't see much from all the snow flying, except that the conditons rock!

In the second picture, it looks like you have a huge pack on your back. That could have something to do with being hunched over. You are trying to balance all the weight without it pulling you back. I would usggest some pictures, or preferably some video, without the pack, to see what you think of your look then. If not, the bots could have too much fwd lean.
post #3 of 17
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Originally Posted by shmerham
and my arms look like they're wrapped around a keg of beer.
[Homer drooling]Augggggghhhhhh Beer!!!!!![/Homer drooling]
post #4 of 17
that snow is making me drool. where ,when was it?. mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmfluffy powder mmmmmmmmmmmmmwith sprinkles
post #5 of 17
Thread Starter 
Secret Location. Kidding. Flute bowl at Whistler. The pack is kinda big, but there wasn't much in there. A half filled water bottle, shovel, and a probe.

If my boots aren't stiff enough, which I'm not even sure that's the case, would that cause me to be leaning too far forward when I shouldn't be?
post #6 of 17
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Originally Posted by shmerham
If my boots aren't stiff enough, which I'm not even sure that's the case, would that cause me to be leaning too far forward when I shouldn't be?
The boots could have too much forward lean, or you could have too much delta (ramp) in the bindings. Basically, the cuff of the boot may need to come more upright. It could also just be a poor fitting boot. Hard to say from the pictures, but worth taking yours boots and skis to a good boot fitter or alignment specialist.
post #7 of 17

Problem exist between skisbase and helmet!

shmerham, you dont give uss much to work on. However, from what I can sort out I would not blame your boots. Your "exess" forward lean comes from pushing your butt back and having a generally low stance. I have heared the hipp forward thing a million times but your a good example it doesent work with just pushing your hipps forwards. You need an instructor and many lessons to change the way you ski. Good skiers with flaws are a challange for uss ski instructors. Get uss some better picktures or better jet a video to work on. Othervise I and many others will just be speculating.
post #8 of 17
Your lower leg angles to the skis look OK to me from what I can tell from the pix. The problem is that you bend your knees too much. Maybe because you're hugging that barrel, or maybe because it's just your habit. If you decreased knee bend, I think you'd be in pretty good position regarding your center of mass related to your feet. Your torso is appropriately upright. If you just opened the knee joints, you'd be a lot better off.
post #9 of 17
You mention it's good that your feet aren't together but you are skiing in powder. Think a closer stance would definetly help. Try pulling your feet back under you rather than trying to push your hips forward.
post #10 of 17
Hey that's me in the front.

better picture of mr shmerham - your pack isn't that big





I don't have any pics that show form unfortunately
post #11 of 17
Great pole movement! On another note, I am going skiing this weekend in the rain.....bastard.
post #12 of 17
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Originally Posted by LeeLau
Hey that's me in the front.

better picture of mr shmerham - your pack isn't that big





I don't have any pics that show form unfortunately
Great skiing LeeLau.... closed position for controll, arms out for balance, hipps into turn for force and gutts to stay long in the fall line showing confidence .

The new picks of shmerham are great action photos. Normally I would not comment but since he as asked specificly about his forward stance Ill take a second shot. He should get his feet togehter, not nesassarily glue tight but closer than in the original photos and raise his butt a bit. A problem with some of the new skis are that when they are wider in front you dont get enough lift from underneath your boot and you sink in leaving your ski tipps floating. By bringing your skis together you will float better and submerge better as well and you can also distribute pressure more evenly between the skis without loosing your balance. If you do this you can stand taller and that is what we should be working on with shmerham.

The first pickture here below also shows some indication of slight banking and square stance but in the other picktures his upper body position and pole work looks great. I would deffinetly try to bring the skis closer and stand taller. I know very little of LeeLau's skiing but shmerham should try to work his style a bit in that direction.
post #13 of 17
My analysis: The skier folds at the waist because his core muscles are slack when they should be tensed. A cue that would help would be to "bend the binding" of the inside ski (figuratively) to create functional tension in the inside half to counteract forces that cause the skier to fold at the waist minus the tension.
post #14 of 17
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Originally Posted by tdk6
I know very little of LeeLau's skiing but shmerham should try to work his style a bit in that direction.
tdk - that's shmerham in those pictures; not me. I thought he was a strong skier too.
post #15 of 17
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Originally Posted by LeeLau
tdk - that's shmerham in those pictures; not me. I thought he was a strong skier too.
I thaught you were the first guy in this pickture!

http://shirk.smugmug.com/photos/59832439-M.jpg

If shmerham wants to stand up taller he needs to start all over again and work hard on something that will not nesessarily make him a better skier or make him enjoy skiing more. I play the blues on guitar but cannot read sheet music. Im shure I could become a better guitar player if I learned sight reading but I much rather wail away than count 1 2 3 4 for the next 10y. Same goes for skiing.
post #16 of 17
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Originally Posted by tdk6
I thaught you were the first guy in this pickture!

http://shirk.smugmug.com/photos/59832439-M.jpg

If shmerham wants to stand up taller he needs to start all over again and work hard on something that will not nesessarily make him a better skier or make him enjoy skiing more. I play the blues on guitar but cannot read sheet music. Im shure I could become a better guitar player if I learned sight reading but I much rather wail away than count 1 2 3 4 for the next 10y. Same goes for skiing.
oh sorry - i misunderstood. Yup Im the first skier - I thought I was standing too tall! See my other thread I just put up in this forum. Thanks!
post #17 of 17

Crouch

Shimerhorn. I can relate used to look a lot like you. To answer your specific questions try this. To get out of your crouch 1) while standing in your living room in tennis shoes or whatever crouch over. now slowly suck in your stomach, tightening your stomach muscles. This will straighten up your stance. The real key thing here is that this will work without messing up your balance and will get you out of the crouch but keep your ankles and knees bent etc. Get used to doing his in your living room and then try it on easy slopes and move it into steeper terrain and powder etc. 2) longer poles and this will stop you from crouching forward/bending etc. to touch the snow as with longer poles you won't have to. I went to longer poles at the suggestion of one of the instructors I work with and it really help. The stomach tightening you can do anywhere and at anytime as a reminder to get more upright. Try it - works for me. Good luck Pete
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