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post #1 of 19
Thread Starter 
Hey. I'm going for another trip to Tuckerman's Ravine on Mt. Washington soon and I wanted to go off a small cliff, no more than 30 ft. I'm a decent skiier and I'm just wondering what I should keep in mind when doing this. I will hike up the path I'm going so I won't be landing totally blind. Thanks in advance!
post #2 of 19
Please tell me this is an April Fool's a few days early?

The way you're asking the question suggests this is a bad idea if you're serious. Or, to put it differently, learn about well-reasoned hucking at a resort where ski patrol can cart you out relatively easily first, that way when & if you want to huck in Tuckerman's you won't have to ask on the internet. Start wiht perhaps a 2-foot rock drop and work up from there.
post #3 of 19
Gleb,
30 foot is not a small cliff. 10 foot is a small cliff.
If you have to ask, you probably shouldn't be trying this.
Consider how far away you are timewise from medical assistance should something go wrong.
Use a spotter.
Probe the landing.
Consider wearing a mouthpiece.
This is not a complete list.
post #4 of 19
So, you want to go to Tuckerman Ravine and jump off small cliffs. When you get there and see the small cliffs you may change your mind. To get up into the cliffs you have to go to the top of the bowl and then climb up into the rocks. It can be done but not by anyone who is sane or not a very good skier.

A small cliff is, IMHO, 3 feet. And a 3 foot cliff at tuckermans is going to land on some pretty steep terrain. Maybe you could bring a shovel and build something that takes off across the hill. That way you could see what landing on steep is like. Build the jump at an angle ie side ways to the steep. To creat a lip, dig out instead of building up. You'll get a lot of takers.
post #5 of 19
Gleb,

1.experience with smaller drops balanced and comfortable 10/15
2.check landing zone/run out
3.proctection- helmet,mouthgaurd.
3. take off/ in run- Do you need speed to clear any outcroping rock or trees
4. landing- know where and how your going to land before you drop. {How] on your feet or back seat {hotub}.IMO most bigger drops 35+ I choose to hotub unless the landing is really steep. Earlier this season I tried to put my feet down on a 50 footer and ended up with a bloody chin {via knee} and a large ER bill
5. Commit- once you push off do not hesitate or atempt to shut it down{ at this point the safest option is your landing zone.
6. take off- look out to your landing zone not down and try to stay tight and compact.
7. land it and ski away/ Beer thirty {only if your of age}

Gleb,
I would not reccomend you do this at Tucks. If somthing goes wrong your a long way from the ER. If you must avy gear,first aid kit and friends are strongly reccomended.
post #6 of 19
Thread Starter 
ya i was a lil bit over estimating. I actually ment around 15. I already seen it, and ive been off similar on my snowboard. Im a better skiier than snowboarder by far.
I can do jumps and everything and I can land them pretty well. My most was probably a 35 foot clearance. I posted in a hurry because I was late to work. I guess the real question is, is the landing much different off of a small cliff than a jump.


I really like the mouthpiece idea. I always wear a helmet, I can't imagine being on the slopes without it. I will probably try the lip idea just for practice. I will have all day to spend there so most likely i will have 8 or so attempts. I will have plenty of friends there in case anything goes wrong. Out in the east here, I don't know of any resorts that have anything comparable to tucks. I can't wait to move out west.

I've been analyzing videos of people jumping, as well as of people screwing up. Sorry to shock like this. I'm defintly more prepared than I sounded in my first post. Thanks for those ideas
post #7 of 19
have you had a chance to get to the site: time for tuckerman?

You will probably see man made jumps down below. Most of the guys who are jumping the rocks are real strong skiers/boarders. You'll know whether or not you can handle jumping near the lip. Most people are happy to just stay on their feet. It is so steep that jumping just doesn't make sense to most. The rocks have huge ice slabs on them and below them which will help you understand why jumping near the lip is so tricky.

But there are good places to jump. Look for others and check out their line. Let them go first.

Tucks is $#itty place to get hurt, so be careful and be smart. It's the kind of place that makes it easy to get caught up in the scene. There is usually a lot of cheering and crowd pleasers, which may alter your judgement!
post #8 of 19
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Originally Posted by Gleb
I will have plenty of friends there in case anything goes wrong. Out in the east here, I don't know of any resorts that have anything comparable to tucks. I can't wait to move out west.
To beat a dead horse, are your friends trained in first aid and prepared to litter you out? Frankly, aside from safety issues getting you down all that way would just plain be an inconvenience to them. And it is not cool to go there and expect others (patrol, etc.) to take care of you as if you were at a resort. While all the people give the illusion of a resort experience, Tuckerman's still is backcountry.

Also, while no resorts have anything comparable to Tucks, there are lots of good rock drops, with nice landings, at a number of NE resorts. Even with this season they've been in shape a number of times. If it were me, I would wonder why I didn't know about them and hadn't hit them over the season, in different snow conditions, so that I knew the similarities and differences with terrain park jumps. You could have already gone 15 to 20 inbounds in the Northeast, believe it or not. And then I would wonder why I wanted to do this for the first time in the dumbest possible place.
post #9 of 19
Thread Starter 
to of my friends are trained in first aid and both are pretty big guys, much bigger than me, and we've already talked about the fact if I get hurt. Also, another one of my friends is a decent backcountry skiier but he is out west right now and I can't reach him. When he comes back, thats when we go. He has done upto 35 or 40 foot drops at Jackson hole, I believe.

Which resorts have the drops? The reason I want to do a Tuckerman drop is because I didn't know any resorts had a decent one to practice on. I would be on that drop all day at a resort if I knew about it. I mainly go to sunday river, cannon and I'm heading off to Sugar loaf soon. I'm also aware of the whole crowd pleasing there. Its defintly easy to get caught up in it. I'm defintly not doing it for the crowd because I've pleased enough crowds carving on my alpine snowboard so I'm looking to be an attention whore there at all. (All the park monkeys always say, "WHOA! look at that mono ski" or "teleboard" or something as I get down pretty low." Even though I suck, I got an applause from the people in the chairlift.)
post #10 of 19
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gleb

Which resorts have the drops?
Most of the big mountains (not resorts, mountains) in New England/New York have decent sized drops if you know where to look or who to ask.

Having watched Sir Glen Plake himself throw a double-back flip at Tucks last year, I can say with confidence that ANY good sized cliff drop (over 10') in the bowl is for extremely strong skiers only. Forget the skills needed to actually get off the cliff, or even initially land the jump -- the speed picked up immediately following the landing is what does most people in.

I'm not saying you are incapable of doing this; to the contrary, I'm of the mindset that half of life is 90% mental. That being said, I would give it a "test run" first by STRAIGHTLINING a good portion of your intended landing zone to get a feel for the speed and forces that you'll experience immediately after touchdown.

Most people can get into the air successfully -- it's the landing that often bites them in the arse. Heed the advice of previous posters with regards to lack of emergency care, time/distance from a hospital, the lives of your buddies, fellow skiers, and volunteer patrol. Also remember that if you seriously wreck yourself, the State of New Hampshire will be presenting you with a bill for your ride out on the whirlybird. :

That being said, let me offer two final pieces of advice gleaned from years of landing and not landing jumps & cliff drops:

1) One's # of takeoffs shall always = one's # of landings;
2) Always (mentally) follow a flight plan prior to takeoff, and NEVER deviate from it once aloft!


# 2 really applies more to park & pipe stuff (i.e., don't hit a feature thinking "360", than decide halfway through the spin to keep going for a 540 or 720...it never ends well!) than cliff drops, but it never hurts to heed...
post #11 of 19
Thread Starter 
thank you for that advice. Double back flip?!!! holy crap! I hate going inverted. Scares me to death. I love the feeling though. The straighlining part is one of my fave parts. Last year I straightlined so fast that the vibration of my skis poped my binding off. This year I had it turned up to a higher setting by a guy at my ski shop. This also happend to my friend out west. Thanks for the advice and I really appreciate all of your concerns. I'm much more prepared than I sound. I just wanted to know if there was anything minor that I missed when looking into this.
post #12 of 19
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gleb

Which resorts have the drops?
Come to Kirkwood! Small drops 4-10 feet are all over the place including the Wall, the Wave and the lips at the Saddles. In addition, there is a small inbound drop of about 15 feet in the middle of a intermediate trail on the Sunshine chair, you can't miss it.

Needless to say Squaw has the most lines and you have to buy the book for a chart.
post #13 of 19
You're 13; aren't you?

Definitely have to feel comfortable straightlining and then being able to throw a speed check and a turn in there. What if you realize you need to avoid a rock or a person?

Go to Stowe for Cliffs. There's hundreds ranging from 5 to 40 feet.
post #14 of 19
Thread Starter 
I wish I could go to Kirkwood. Probably after I graduate from college in 6 years. I'm 19 and I got to pharmacy school and I either want to get a job in Alaska next to the resort Aleyska or just somewhere out west either in Colorodo, Montana, Wyoming, or on Lake Tahoe.

I will be able to see if I need to avoid any rocks because I'll be climbing up right next to the cliff. I have never been to stowe and never realized it was like that. I might have to make a trip up there in the next two weeks. We play it cheap, we drive up there late the night before, sleep in the car and get up early to be the first on the slopes. After we're doing for the day, we head back with many rest stops in between. Life is goooood!
post #15 of 19

This Is Serious

Gleb

Go to Tuckermans. It will change your life.

I went for the first time when I was 12 and it made me want more from my skiing. Go man, and stay safe.
post #16 of 19
If I weren't so squeamish about having blood on my hands, I'd give you an idea or two as to where to jump...
post #17 of 19
Thread Starter 
I've already been there and it has changed my life. I already have a site picked out, well one for now, and a few for maybe next year or even later this season. Blood on your hands. LOL! It'll be all good.
post #18 of 19
Gleb, when are you going? I've never been, I'd love to go and check it out, always wanted to. Plus I've had first responder training. I'm serious, I'll go with ya.
post #19 of 19
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ski=free
Gleb, when are you going? I've never been, I'd love to go and check it out, always wanted to. Plus I've had first responder training. I'm serious, I'll go with ya.
I don't know the exact dates but it will be sometime in the the next 4 weeks. We won't know if we're going until the day before because the weather changes up there much faster than down at sea level. Thats what sucks. Last year, the day before they predicted weather in the 40s but we got there and in the morning it was 75 at the base of Pinkham Notch (where you start hiking) and 70 at the base of the Ravine. We completly over packed with clothes so it really sucked. We would be glad to have you along if you're really interested and we have room in the cars. The first responder training would be a huge plus.

If you don't go with us, I highly reccommend that you make it out there. Its exhausting climbing up for 45 to 80 minutes for a 10 or less second ride down, but some how its the most rewarding thing i've done in a while.
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