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post #31 of 38
Originally Posted by SkiMangoJazz
Putting pressure on the balls of my feet creates arch pain and cramping.?
You might want to try getting your boots looked at. Alternativley a common cause of foot cramps, especially under the ball of the foot, is caused by being too far forward...often from too much permanent ankle flexion.

Originally Posted by SkiMangoJazz
It is more efficient to flex and extend the ankle and use the lever of the boot to create tip pressure. Who said I was pressing too hard all the time? Just using less force for the same effect.?
Yes, flexing/extending the ankle is more efficient then hanging off the front of your boots. Incidently I am not saying you do this, I have never seen you ski, it just seemed it from your post. If I am wrong, I am wrong, but I assure you my understanding of proper balance and turn intiation is bang on. If you intiate turns by cranking the ankles forward....it will be impossible to get max performance in the middle and end of the turns, this is especially true as the turns gets shorter.

Originally Posted by SkiMangoJazz
Would you hold a pry bar down at the bottom or the top?
How much force do you think you need?...maybe your skis are too stiff for you.
post #32 of 38
Thanks skidude things to think about.

I do have good orthotics and boots adjusted (more than once) but I could be too far forward.

Skis aren't too stiff, I've just been working with things that some high level coaches have taught me.

What do you think of the idea of wiggling your toes while you ski? It's hard to pressure your balls when you do this. This has been told to me by a few, in particular a LIII Full cert trainer.
post #33 of 38
Even if I only need a small amount of force, getting that with less effort still makes sense.

however I do see your point that in short turns in particular it could be too much force too soon - one of my ongoing problems is rushing the tops of my turns, so this makes sense.
post #34 of 38
Originally Posted by SkiMangoJazz
What do you think of the idea of wiggling your toes while you ski? It's hard to pressure your balls when you do this. This has been told to me by a few, in particular a LIII Full cert trainer.
I would agree with that....if you can't, again possibly, too much ankle flexion, just try it in your living room with your socks on.....
post #35 of 38
I can't agree about ankle flexion. Flex away man. You gotta flex somewhere.
post #36 of 38
Originally Posted by dewdman42
I can't agree about ankle flexion. Flex away man. You gotta flex somewhere.
Just so I am clear....I am NOT saying don't flex the ankle. I am saying flex the ankle, fully, BUT you do it to control pressure in the turn, NOT as a way of intiating turns.....
post #37 of 38

Getting used to skiing bumps down the fall line

This is just for beginning bump skiers. This really worked for me. Most of this I figured out by reading the threads here. The bumps here that I am talking about are those that have moderate spacing like one finds on blue and black slopes.

As always start where there are no bumps. Make a hockey stop on a green or blue slope. A hockey stop is just like skaters do. Get up a little speed and come to a stop by skidding to the place that you want to stop. Using counter-rotation, the harder you edge, the faster you will stop. When you do this correctly, you will feel a sense of compression (absorption) as your legs flex. When you come close to stopping, you then have a sensation of rebounding. This is extension as you have slowed down to the point where your legs can push back enough to start straightening you up again. Then let yourself return to an upright position as you come to a dead stop. Most people can do this. Occasionally, they may not stand up completely and fall uphill into the snow with little effect. Usually this is just because one is not concentrating. Rarely will you tip over to the downhill side.

Make sure you can make a good hockey stop. What I did was to adapt this to what I call a hockey stop turn. Again do this on groomed slopes with no bumps. The whole point here is not learning great form. It is to get you comfortable going down the hill. Everything is the same as the hockey stop except that when you start to rebound, you simply start a crossover. These PMTS techniques are described elsewhere and in the LeMaster book, The Skiers Edge. You plant your pole downhill, shift your weight to the uphill ski, and let your upper body rollover the skis rather than stop on top of them. When the skis flatten, you twist the skis towards the downhill and begin the next skid/carve to the next simulated bump doing the hockey stop turn in the other direction. This is a pattern of skid, rebound, plant, and turn down the hill. Once you can do this repeatedly going straight down the hill and after you have played around with a lot of small bumps, you can try skiing down a series of moderate bumps without traversing. As soon as you feel the compression on the front of a mogul followed by the start of rebound, immediately plant and make your turn. It feels just like the hockey stop turn. When I first started this, I once misjudged the turn and felt like I was going to slowly fall down the hill. I just planted my pole and made the turn without any problem. It shouldn’t take long before you will prefer to go on down rather than traverse to another mogul. As some have said on another thread, “The downhill direction is usually safer.”

If you like to carve rather than skid, I found this to help as well. You, of course, want to extend to keep your skis on the snow as you enter the trough. What worked for me is to really press hard on the big toe of the foot that is in the outside ski boot. This presses the ski into the surface while carving and creates more friction and perhaps some turning and slows you down. It also helps to insure that you have your weight forward. This will make you feel more comfortable carving toward the next mogul rather than traversing since you can control your speed. My skiing partner was reluctant about skiing down the expert moguls although she had done quite a bit of it. As soon as I told her how to do this, she began making turns down the hill on almost every mogul she encountered.

After you get this down, you can then work on technique and integrate it into your skiing while going generally down the fall line.
post #38 of 38

further reading

Hey all,

Lots of good input on this thread. I just got a book from PSIA written by Chris Fellows (National Demo Team) called "Tactics for All Mountain Skiing". It will be a framework for the National Academy happening in just under 2 weeks. Reading through the bumps chapter, there were many of the ideas already mentioned. What I felt was present in the book as well as in many of the better bump clinics I've taken was that a lot of skiing bumps has little to do with being in the bumps. The ability to make good movements in the bumps comes from developing skills outside the bumps first. One that I particularly liked was to find a ridge often left by a groomer that doesn't have to be very tall, but creates a surface on which to play. This can be on a green trail, blue trail, black trail, but by lowering the pitch it can be easier to perform. Slipping, skidding, carving, blocking, hockey stops, and more are all appropriate at different times and in different situations. By working on the movements that will help in bump skiing on a blue trail instead of rushing to Outer Limits at Killington will allow for a stronger learning experience, building not only muscle memory from doing these skill development exercises, but also from building confidence in using the equipment in varied ways. As stated, this isn't about teaching bump skiing on a post, but more of suggesting resources that could help.

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