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Tuning of brand new skis?

post #1 of 16
Thread Starter 
Brand new skis. Are they already tuned in accordance with manufacturers recommendations or “to be tuned”?

Information from shops was somewhat confusing. One answer - just “wax and go”; anything is factory tuned in accordance with their recommendations. Another answer - skis come un-tuned and you must tune them if want anything different from 0 degree base and 0 degree side. Third answer - it differs from brand to brand. Atomic comes factory tuned others not.

Any comments appreciated.

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ March 04, 2002 12:26 AM: Message edited 1 time, by Rex ]</font>
post #2 of 16
I have always found that skiing on brand enw or near new skis fantastic due to the tune. Can't imagine why they wouldn't have them tuned prior to going to retailers, as most skiers won't have them tuned again until the next season.
post #3 of 16
Wax is needed for sure as factory wax is only for transportation purposes. As for edges, ask the shop what degrees skis come with from the factory and if you want something else have shop do that for you.
post #4 of 16
Hi Rex

I got 2 pairs of new Fischers this year and new Volkls for my kids.

None of them needed tuning, they all ski great.

Waxed some before and others after the first day, the factory wax seemed to work ok for a day.

Have Fun! [img]smile.gif[/img]

post #5 of 16
Depends on the Mfg and ski. Some come tuned ready to ski, In the past some skis csme from the factory in horrible condition. If the Factory rushes production for a delivery schedule they may not wait for the ski to "cool or cure" before putting on the final tune. This cure time be the source of some shrinkage in the base material and caused a "railed" ski.

Most higher end skis geared for intermediate to advanced skis come with a good tune and just need the transport wax removed and new wax applied. Being a "gear junckie" and a person that tunes my own skis most of the time, I would check the tune and if it looks good, just wax and go.
post #6 of 16
Thread Starter 

That was a problem. Most of fellows in my local shop do not seem to be very competent. They are just selling what they are getting from manufacturers. I would not let them do ski tuning. But hence there are good discounts available I going to buy a new boards there. I know what kind of skis I want and I believe good deal is good deal even if shop fellows are not very knowledgeable. My question was, should I bother with seeking someone competent to tune them or just keep them in original state?
post #7 of 16
Thread Starter 

Thanks for advice. Boards I am thinking of are Volks p50 motion. There are really good bargains available. It looks like good idea just find someone for checking them and postpone tuning for awhile. I do not have much experience to do it myself.
post #8 of 16
Don't let the guys at the ski shop talk you into letting them detune the skis. Especially if you have doubts about their competence. A slight detune may help prevent catching an edge in the first few runs on the ski. But many shops are heavy handed and just screw up what was a good factory tune. :
post #9 of 16
the P50's should come from the factory with a great tune. That's a Hi Performance ski. Don't let them touch them (except for wax)until you have skied them for a few days. Then you can have a shop "taylor" the tune for you if you want the tips detuned or change the edge bevel.
post #10 of 16
Rex, if you don't have a true bar you should pick one up. First check the skis to see if they are fairly flat. If they are then take them for a spin and see how they turn, glide, and release. If everything seems fairly smooth and doesn't require a lot of effort then the tune is probably ok.
post #11 of 16
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Lucky:
Rex, if you don't have a true bar you should pick one up. First check the skis to see if they are fairly flat<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Right on Lucky. All the literature these days goes back and forth between "is it tuned /isn't it tuned" as the ski comes from the manufacturer and the affect of continued curing of the ski after it leaves the factory. The only way to know for sure is to look for yourself. And run the true bar down the full length of the ski because there may be pockets of concavity/convexness.

Rex- Whether you plan to do the work yourself or not it's always good to have a few tools to check whether the work needs to be done. Aside from the true bar pick up a copy of "World Class Ski Tuning". It's interesting reading and can help you with decisions on what needs to be done.

FWIW, as an additional data point I check my skis periodically with a true bar and, although they have been flat for two years, recently found my Volkl G40s were becoming slightly concave. I had the shop run them over the stone without any weight and re-bevel the edges. They're really sweet again.

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ March 04, 2002 01:48 PM: Message edited 1 time, by PowderJunkie ]</font>
post #12 of 16
I 2nd that!

Make sure they are flat. If so you are good to go.
post #13 of 16
My wife bought T:9x's this year. I picked them up and first thing put the true bar on them. I saw them to be railed (edge high) and knew that they would be catchy and squirrely (?sp) due to that. We went to MT Bachelor the next day so first thing was to take them to a shop for a tune. So, I pick one of the better shops in Bend. Carry them in, show them the ski and they tell me to get lost ! politely to be sure ... Shop owner pulls out a letter from Atomic (as I recall) stating that the wide tips are supposed to look like this, that the ski itself will assume it's proper aspect as it cools in the snow or something to that effect. The letter was very, very to the point. It says in big bold type - don't do it. I let Lisa make the decision and she said leave 'em alone. Next day we're up on the hill and she's in love! They still haven't seen a grind after about 15 days. Just light file work where she found a stump or two. I'm amazed ... couldn't believe it ... completely contrary to what I know to be true ... moral of the story is, check with the mfg before you just flatten 'em.
One last thing. I check anyway. Especially K2 and Rossi due to the volume of skis they sell. I have never seen a Volkl or an upper end Fischer that didn't have a perfect tune from the factory. I do carry a gummy stone on the hill though. Just in case ... hey even I screw it up now and then ;~)

It would be interesting to get the point of view one of the factory guys on this topic - anyone ?
post #14 of 16
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Mal@hood:
that the ski itself will assume it's proper aspect as it cools in the snow or something to that effect.

Very interesting. I'm curious if you ever checked the skis for concavity after they have been in the snow for a while? Just the simple "put the skis together (sole to sole) and site down the tips to see if they're railed" test? Be interesting to know if the ski has actually changed shape very much.
post #15 of 16
Thread Starter 
Story goes on.
Now I have a pair of brand new P50 motion (178 cm) at home (shop did waxing). So, I was keen to make my initial inspection.

Here are results:

Base seems to be perfectly flat. With true bar I could not recognize any problem.
Edges are sharp all the way along the ski.
Base bevel. Volki recommends 1 degree of base bevel. However, with my eyes I was not able to detect it. It seemed perfectly flat like 0 degree.
Side bevel. Volki recommends 2 degree of base bevel but I do not have any tools to check it.

Looking forward to trying them on snow.
post #16 of 16
Ski on them and then recheck with the true bar. Wax can hide concavity. They're probably perfectly flat as you say. One degree is much too small to observe with the naked eye. Even with the true bar in place it would be hard to discern.

Bet you love the ski...
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