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Oakley HI Yellow vs. HI Persimmon...

post #1 of 26
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Soliciting feedback from those who have used either (or both)...

I picked up a High Intensity Persimmon lens for flat- & low-light conditions, thinking it would be well-rounded for partly sunny conditions.

Everything I read and hear about the High Intensity YELLOW is it is the cat's meow for white-out skiing, but I was hesitant to sink my dollars into a one trick pony that might otherwise leave me blinded (if the sun peaks out, even for a moment).

I used the HI Persimmons for the first time today, and while I was generally pleased with them, when the conditions got bleak, I found myself wishing for the HI Yellow instead.

What say you? I know conditions change and different lenses are necessary, but I'd like to get the widest range of conditions out of any particular lens. FWIW, I consider my eyes to be somewhat sensitive to brightness, but find Oakley's Blue Iridium enough protection for bright conditions.

Is the HI Yellow too far to the low-light extreme for use in anything but those blinding or highly-overcast moments?
post #2 of 26
I have a pair of each. I only use the Yello when it is actually snowing or raining, or I know for a fact that there is no way the sun is coming out. If it does, I can't even open my eyes. The HI persimmon is my all-rounder, and I pull out the Black Iridium when it's bluebird.
post #3 of 26
Yellow is awesome. I make sure it is always with me. NOTHING is better for flat light and late day conditions.
post #4 of 26
I found Hi yellow to be blinding in all but the absolute worst conditions. The lightest bit of sunshine causes blindness with this lens.
I've switched to a Smith Sensor Mirror for poor light and am much happier. I think it performs as well in a white out yet provides some protection should things brighten up.
post #5 of 26
We bought the new pink iridium this winter - very little to choose between it and the HI yellow for low light, but is much better if the sun comes out. Wouldn't wear them on a day that was going to be sunny all day, but the odd sunny spell is fine
post #6 of 26
Hi yellow while great for low and flat light will likely be unacceptable for you in sunny conditions. It is a one trick pony.
I recently picked up a pair of Zeal Optic pink lenses [don't know the exact model] but wow are they great in low light and very adequate in other conditions.
post #7 of 26
I just bought the HI Amber Polarized lens and love it. I am not sure if this is the same as the HI Yellow though....but they have a strong yellow tint to them. I also have the Persimmon and like the HI Amber better. Light transmission on the Persimmon is 18% I think, while it is 25% on the HI lens.

I have used the HI lens on sunny and overcast days, but not white out or fog yet. The polarized lens cuts all the glare...highly reccommended. You can order the polarized lens directly from Oakley, I couldn't find them anywhere else.

The Persimmon lens is great, but not dark enough in the sun for me. I should also note that I don't have the HI persimmon, just the normal persimmon.
post #8 of 26
I have the HI Yellow (Blue) and hate it. And around here there is no shortage of flat light. The lens did not strike me as especially better than any of a number of other low/flat light lenses. And worse than some. Even a hint of sun and it blows. cloudpeak felt the same way about the lens and replaced it with the HI Persimmon. Reports much more happiness - even in flat light. I'm usually using an Addidas Yodai w/ Orange Mirror lenses for flat light these days. Even though they transmit less light, they are much more useful for actually seeing things IMO.

Anyway, clearly there are folks who like the HI Yellow, but there are many of us who really, really, really, really hate it. If you have and like the HI Persimmon, you don't need to feel like you are missing anything...
post #9 of 26
I tried the Hi Yellow lens and hated it. I have sensitive eyes, and it didn't provide enough filtering for me. With it, I felt like I was skiing blind the whole time.

OTOH, the Hi Persimmon has worked quite nicely in a variety of conditions from flat light to bluebird.
post #10 of 26
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Originally Posted by ebraun
I just bought the HI Amber Polarized lens and love it.
I can't find this lense on the Oakley website. Is this for the Wisdom?

whats the light transmission % for the HI Amber Polarized?
post #11 of 26
I use two lenses, hi-yellow, and gold iridium. Think about it, only a few hours of the day are you really subjected to full sun and no shade. You have shadows in the trees and north side mountain sides that will give you non-full sun. Yes the yellow is blinding on a run with full sun, but for anything else it is tolerable and awesome in the late afternoon, snow, and clouds.

I play golf in the yellow for the same reasons and I dont feel the need to pull them off when lining up putts.

Scott
post #12 of 26
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Originally Posted by Marmot mb
I can't find this lense on the Oakley website. Is this for the Wisdom?

whats the light transmission % for the HI Amber Polarized?

The polarized lenses are not listed by themselves, only with the A Frame goggle: http://oakley.com/o/o3277d I don't know if they have them for the Wisdom, but I bet they do.

There are only 2 polarized lenses they offer: HI Amber and VR28 (much darker), I believe the light trans. is 25% on the polarized HI Amber.

I had to call the 800 number to get the lens by itself. I have really become a fan of polarized glasses so I coughed up the cash for the goggles too. I am not sorry, as I love them. If you call their 800 number and talk to them they can answer questions, they know the products quite well.

This lens is different than the HI Yellow. I have not used the HI Yellow.
post #13 of 26
Thanks for the link. I will call but I doubt they make it for the Wisdom, why I have no idea it's a no brainer if you ask me.

I have tried my buddies Polarized Half jackets for driving and don't like them at all. Makes my tint all wacky with rainbows of colour, the windsheild does the same thing sometimes.

Out of the truck they are fine, but no good for driving. For skiing I can see them being fantastic.
post #14 of 26
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by eng_ch
We bought the new pink iridium this winter - very little to choose between it and the HI yellow for low light, but is much better if the sun comes out. Wouldn't wear them on a day that was going to be sunny all day, but the odd sunny spell is fine
I searched for the Pink Iridium on the Oakley site and came up empty, so I gave the company a call...

...25% light transmission!

So I wouldn't qualify that as a "low light" goggle -- it's right up there with all of their other "light index = 3 (sunny)" tints.

Just for comparison, the HI Yellow is listed at 90% and the HI Persimmon at 59%
post #15 of 26
As long as we're on the topic of Oakley goggles...

I bought a pair of Crowbars, in part because the Wisdom goggles I've had for several years are just a bit too big for my face and helmet.. they kind of, you know, squeeze my nose shut a bit. Anyway, the crowbars arrived today and I'm somewhat surprised at how tight (i.e., short strap) they are on my face. What's the deal? I only wear a size large giro helmet. I can't imagine how someone with an XL or XXL head would be able to wear these. I'm thinking about sending them back because of this. Does anyone else have this problem?

ETA: Nevermind. I'm sending them back. 20 minutes with them on is no good. No good at all.
post #16 of 26
Also...

Is there a table somewhere that shows the light transmision of the various lenses? I don't see such a table on the Oakley site in the lens shopping pages.
post #17 of 26
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisInSeattle
I bought a pair of Crowbars, in part because the Wisdom goggles I've had for several years are just a bit too big for my face and helmet.. they kind of, you know, squeeze my nose shut a bit. Anyway, the crowbars arrived today and I'm somewhat surprised at how tight (i.e., short strap) they are on my face. What's the deal? I only wear a size large giro helmet. I can't imagine how someone with an XL or XXL head would be able to wear these. I'm thinking about sending them back because of this. Does anyone else have this problem?
I lengthened my Crowbar strap using a $4 Smith strap extension. Using the strap at the stock length, it was too short / tight for my XL Leedom Prophet.

I found the Crowbars to give a little more nose room then the Wisdoms. The Crowbar is actually a wider goggle -- by scant millimeters -- but the Wisdom has a "round" cut at the periphery, versus the Crowbar's "square" cut, so the Wisdom has a degree or two greater pehiperal vision than the Crowbar.
post #18 of 26
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisInSeattle
Is there a table somewhere that shows the light transmision of the various lenses?
Here ya go...

http://oakley.com/technology/lens_tints/
post #19 of 26
Quote:
Originally Posted by speede541
Thanks!

Amazing that they'd market the crowbar as such a great helmet goggle and give it such a short strap. What do these guys have against adding an extra inch here and there?!
post #20 of 26
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisInSeattle
Amazing that they'd market the crowbar as such a great helmet goggle and give it such a short strap. What do these guys have against adding an extra inch here and there?!
No Joke!

I actually de-tangled their knotted mess. I hate that pretzel they make where they join the two straps. So now I've got mine more like a conventional goggle strap, but with the Smith extension joining the two ends.
post #21 of 26
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisInSeattle
Thanks!

Amazing that they'd market the crowbar as such a great helmet goggle and give it such a short strap. What do these guys have against adding an extra inch here and there?!
It's all about the up sell and more money out of your pocket

Helmet strap here
http://oakley.com/o/c690t
post #22 of 26
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Originally Posted by Marmot mb
It's all about the up sell and more money out of your pocket

Helmet strap here
http://oakley.com/o/c690t
That is the problem, my friend. Their upsell is broken. I'd be happy (well, not _happy_) to pay the up if it worked. The page you pointed to has straps for A frame and Wisdom goggles. There is no optional strap for Crowbar. To further add to the mess, the A frame helmet strap is the same length as the original - which is already WAY too small for anything over a size medium head.

My old a-frames actually fit better with my face and helmet than my Wisdoms. Maybe I should do surgery on my a-frame strap. I knew there was a reason I resisted buying a helmet for so long
post #23 of 26
Quote:
Originally Posted by speede541
No Joke!

I actually de-tangled their knotted mess. I hate that pretzel they make where they join the two straps. So now I've got mine more like a conventional goggle strap, but with the Smith extension joining the two ends.
I don't suppose you could send me a picture of your frankengoggle?
post #24 of 26
You might want to call them and ask about that wisdom strap...I find it difficult to find exactly what I am looking for on their website, but when I call they often have what I needed, they just don't list it on the website (or I can't find it).
post #25 of 26
Sorry about that Chrisinseattle. I just saw the pic and saw those goofy, sorry unique ends and assumed they were for the crowbars. I guess thats why they put letters of the alphabet under it so one knows. DUH!:

strange to hear the strap is so small in this helmet popular world.

Lately I am really begining to wonder about Oakley. Maybe they have monkeys working there now.
post #26 of 26
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisInSeattle
I don't suppose you could send me a picture of your frankengoggle?
I just posted a "how to" on this same forum. Here's the link:

http://forums.epicski.com/showthread.php?p=472267

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