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Salomon X Wave Boot ?

post #1 of 14
Thread Starter 
Is the only difference in fit between a size 28 and 28.5 2005 X Wave 8.0 or 9.0 boot, the footbeds or are the liners a different thickness as well? I have been told that the only difference is the footbed insert...?
post #2 of 14
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Originally Posted by Kuma
Is the only difference in fit between a size 28 and 28.5 2005 X Wave 8.0 or 9.0 boot, the footbeds or are the liners a different thickness as well? I have been told that the only difference is the footbed insert...?
correct.

but this is the same with all production boots, though, regardless of manufacturer. simple cost reduction scheme. apparently the boot shell molds are very $$ so they drop 1/2 sizes in favor of the more price efficient full size shells with 1/2size liners.
post #3 of 14
Thread Starter 
Ok - just to be clear - lets say I have two boots, a 28 and 28.5, and remove the footbeds/insoles in both and replace the footbeds with a Superfeet footbed then both the 28 and 28.5 boot well fit exactly the same?
post #4 of 14
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Originally Posted by Kuma
Ok - just to be clear - lets say I have two boots, a 28 and 28.5, and remove the footbeds/insoles in both and replace the footbeds with a Superfeet footbed then both the 28 and 28.5 boot well fit exactly the same?
the shell sizes of the 28 and 28.5 are exactly the same. for example, i have the 28.5 x-wave 9... the shell size is 325mm. if you had the 28, the shell size is also 325mm. the only thing that makes it a 1/2size is the thickness of liner you put into it.

to answer your question, whatever size superfeet footbed you use will dictate the 'size' (i.e. how loose or tight the boot feels). 28.5 is a term that only applies so long as teh liner is in the boot... once you remove the liner, the boot becomes a 325mm shell or size 28 boot (tomato/tomoto).
post #5 of 14
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Originally Posted by Kuma
Is the only difference in fit between a size 28 and 28.5 2005 X Wave 8.0 or 9.0 boot, the footbeds or are the liners a different thickness as well? I have been told that the only difference is the footbed insert...?

I will have access to both sizes of Xwave 9.0 later this week (probably Tuesday or Wednesday) if you want a 100% definite answer, but GlenPlake is likely correct.

My current Salomons (Equipe 8.0 from 1997) have a shell marked "285/290" with liners marked "28.5". So in that particular boot, it appears 28.5 and 29.0 share the same shell (which has a 326mm sole).
post #6 of 14
Thread Starter 
Thanks, a confirmation would be great! I have tried on a 28.5 awhile back. It would be helpful to have the ability to shop for both the 28 and 28.5 and not worry about a different fit.
post #7 of 14
I can confirm that GlenPlake is correct. I own the X-Wave 10, before that another 10. Same shell covers two "shoe" half sizes (such as 10, 10.5), only difference is liner. Look for shell size in mm on side of sole. And note that liners pack out; the "tighter" fit for a given shell actually will compress more. So a smaller shell with thinner liner (the half size) may be a better bet over time than the next full size up, which is a bigger shell with thicker liner.
post #8 of 14

Shell, Liner and Foot-bed

I don't think anyone has answered your specific question. As I understand it you were told there is no difference in the shell or liner. Only the factory foot-bed is different. If this is correct, you are right that changing to an aftermarket foot-bed like superfeet would make a 28 and 28.5 identical in size.

My understanding was that while the shells were the same, the actual liner was different. That is a thicker liner in the 28 than the 28.5. That WAS my understanding, but just yesterday I was looking at a pair of Salomon Xwave 8 in a 27.5. I was told by the shop the same as you were told. There is no difference in the shell or the liner. The only difference is the foot-bed. I than asked the same question regarding the use of superfeet and was told the 27 and 27.5 would be identical if I intended to use superfeet.

This was a reputable shop. It also appears we are being told the same thing. I am seriously looking at buying these boots. End of season clearance for $240 Cdn. Last pair of Xwaves in the store.
post #9 of 14
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Originally Posted by Kuma
Is the only difference in fit between a size 28 and 28.5 2005 X Wave 8.0 or 9.0 boot, the footbeds or are the liners a different thickness as well? I have been told that the only difference is the footbed insert...?

OK, I have some interesting info to share. I bought 2005 Xwave 9.0 boots (black with a silver front cuff) in a 28.0 and 28.5, with the intention of returning one set (had previously tried 28.5 in a shop but they did not have any 28.0 to try). These are $279 at Sierra Trading Post, and a fairly good deal.

Both boots have the same exact shell, marked 28.0-28.5/325mm on the sole. It's a great fit for me, with about 1.5 fingers behind the foot.

Both boots have the same exact footbed, marked 280/285. Same shape, size, and thickness in both.

The liners are different, and are marked by the specific boot size -- 28.0 or 28.5. I could not see a visible difference between the liners other than the marking, nor could I feel much overall difference with my fingers on a casual inspection. However, the 28.0 liner is clearly a little smaller to the foot, and the extra padding appears to be on the top of the toe area, pressing down on the forefoot from the top. Sure enough, when I felt down there with my fingers, there is a noticeable lump in the 28.0 liners not present in the 28.5.

I still don't know which fits best for me, because they are so close. I'm going to try both over a couple days and decide. But I wanted to report that the only difference between the two sizes is the liner.
post #10 of 14
Thread Starter 
Ah, the mystery continues. I called 5 boot shops - all very reputable in Tahoe area. Two were very definitive that the only difference was insole/insert, the other two were saying a lot but not commiting to my original question. One shop did say exactly what Skier219 said - the shell, insert and liner are the same but the 28 liner has an small piece built into the front of the liner to take up some volume.

Skier219, regarding length of the liner - is the 28 liner made shorter or does it have more padding in toe and achiles area?
post #11 of 14
I don't think it is shorter, because the same footbed fits in the same on both sizes. That, and the general front to back fit of my foot, makes me think the overall internal length is the same.

The 28.5 fit me well, the 28.0 just a bit snugger. I am sort of tempted to go with the smaller size to allow for more packing out. BUT, the smaller size might pack out more just because that extra "volume" over the forefoot is crowding the party. I detect slightly more pressure on my forefoot, making the boot feel narrower, and a bit more pressure in the heel pocket (from less volume up front pushing the foot back). Presumably, the common areas of the liner are going to pack out the same in either size, there's just an extra lump of stuff in the front of the 28 added in to the mix.

I have to say, this is a wierd way to differentiate half sizes in a boot -- certainly different than most boots.
post #12 of 14
You are correct on the shell size being the same. 28 and 28.5 share the same shell.

All of the major mfgs do this.

The difference can be liner or boot board (board under the liner) I have not seen any difference in the foot beds (inside the liner)

As far as liners go, I think the MFG's diverge here. Some I've seen have liners that are for half then full ie 28.5-29.0 some I've seen in the past have liners for each level. Also depending on if it's a performance boot compared to an entry or recreational boot. Higher performance boots that have stiffer and harder materials for padding might be more an issue also because they are harder to compress and get to fit properly.

I think you just have to try them out.

That being said, any shop that throws you in a boot without doing a shell fit first, or asks if you have been "shell fit" run the other way.
post #13 of 14
they will both pack out to the same shape (the shell) doesn;t matter in the long run.

I usually try to order the XX.5 as the liner feels longer so it is easier to sell and less convincing that this is the right size and "yes it will pack out"
post #14 of 14
FYI - I have the 9's and they packed out a lot. Go smaller if inbetween.
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