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# Teaching Angulation - Page 5

Why the semantics?

Because logically from MY point of view, the view of the untrained skier, one of your CLIENTS as it were, things are set from the ground up. The skis tipping angle is set by the turn (radius) I want to make. Having decided where to go, I set my skis on the appropriate edge. I then must have my CM at the right position for my speed so I adjust my degree of angulation. In actually it's done simultaneously, but uppermost in my mind is tipping the skis to turn. They are like a steering wheel in a car _ _ straight // left turn \\ right turn. I also have to lean my body the right amount into the turn to stay balanced, using angulation to set that amount.

The other way of looking at it, fine tuning the edge angle with angulation is convoluted because if I change the edge angle of the ski I will no longer be skiing the same turn.

You no doubt see it as using angulation to set the edge angle to go where you want to go. Same thing different viewpoint.

I guess to TEACH angulation you have to be able to adopt the view of your students.
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 Originally Posted by Ghost Why the semantics? Because logically from MY point of view, the view of the untrained skier, one of your CLIENTS as it were, things are set from the ground up. The skis tipping angle is set by the turn (radius) I want to make. Having decided where to go, I set my skis on the appropriate edge. I then must have my CM at the right position for my speed so I adjust my degree of angulation. In actually it's done simultaneously, but uppermost in my mind is tipping the skis to turn. They are like a steering wheel in a car _ _ straight // left turn \\ right turn. I also have to lean my body the right amount into the turn to stay balanced, using angulation to set that amount. The other way of looking at it, fine tuning the edge angle with angulation is convoluted because if I change the edge angle of the ski I will no longer be skiing the same turn. You no doubt see it as using angulation to set the edge angle to go where you want to go. Same thing different viewpoint. I guess to TEACH angulation you have to be able to adopt the view of your students.
What happened to inclination?

Inclination is a far more natural move. Even more so is over-pivotting, stemming and other braking actions that keep the CM well within the BoS.

To angulate, you begin with inclination -- you don't immediately jump into an angulated position. There is more often than not, no need to do that -- inclination will do quite nicely.

WRT fine tuning edge angle: one fine tunes the edge angle to maintain the carve -- removing the torque on the ankle allows you to maintain the edge angle. That stops it from otherwise changing.

Which is why I think it is not a gimme.

To teach it, you need a consistent set of definitions.
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 Originally Posted by BigE What happened to inclination? Inclination is a far more natural move. Even more so is over-pivotting, stemming and other braking actions that keep the CM well within the BoS. To angulate, you begin with inclination -- you don't immediately jump into an angulated position. There is more often than not, no need to do that -- inclination will do quite nicely. WRT fine tuning edge angle: one fine tunes the edge angle to maintain the carve -- removing the torque on the ankle allows you to maintain the edge angle. That stops it from otherwise changing. Which is why I think it is not a gimme. To teach it, you need a consistent set of definitions.
Inclination is the deviation of the body from vertical. Also referred to as banking.
Agreed.

I think a lot of people on the slopes just naturally start out carving while free skiing by inclinating, and just keep leaning in until the turn is sharp enough to balance them at their speed, instead of adding the required amount of angulation for a given turn shape at their speed. This habit, puts them closer to the edge of traction and makes it harder to keep their edges carving.

I think drills with ski poles held between the hands and horizontal, keeping the shoulders level, are a good way teach angulation to correct that tendency.
Ghost, that drill is used to teach upper/lower body separation while turning your feet.
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 Originally Posted by BigE Ghost, that drill is used to teach upper/lower body separation while turning your feet.
True, and it helps keep the shoulders level.
Another drill is to keep the poles vertical and make a "picture frame". I find that one emphasises upper, lower separation a little better.
With horizontal poles, try to balance them on the back of your wrists.

I never liked the picture frame -- darn thing keeps moving!

For angulation, try touching your outside boot with outside hand, or try to reach far downhill with the outside pole just before turn completion.
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