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post #1 of 16
Thread Starter 
Hey all, I just stumbled across these forums today. Just wanted to first say that this is a great forum, and I have already learned a lot!

First, a few things about myself:
- I read the sticky, and I believe myself to be a "Level 8" skier. I'm very comfortable on the blacks, but am striving to hone down my mogul skills.
- 6ft, 150 lbs
- Ski 99% piste, and would like to concentrate on moguls because I find them more challenging, and thus more fun =)
- Have been skiing, on average, 2-3 days per season. Mainly due to cost inhibition, since I have been renting gear from the resorts my entire life. With my own gear, I plan to ski approximately 5 days each season.
- I am a 20 y/o college student, so I am looking for a ski with a good value and a long lifespan (at least 5 years). This is also why I would like to keep the skis and bindings (together) within $400, since most of my money goes to rent and tuition.

I skied yesterday at Northstar at Tahoe, and had the opportunity to demo the Zenith Z5 in the 162 length. This was the first time I have skiied on such nice skiis, and the difference was amazing! I was very satisfied with the way they felt, and was hoping to find something similar, in my desired price range. I've been looking on EBay, and it seems that I can get this setup for just over $400.

Another ski I am considering is the Actys 300, which I can do for about $300. Is this ski inferior to the Zenith?

I am also open to other suggestions in this price range, and would apreciate any opinions and/or advice!

Also, I'm looking to buy some used boots. I've read that this is one of the most important piece of gear, and am still doing some reading on that. Sugestions for a boot with a good value are much appreciated. Thanks!
post #2 of 16
Before you buy any ski do you have good boots? If not, Boots are you number one priority purchase. For now forget the skis. Many shops should start having sales on thier left over boots. You should be able pick up a great boot for around $300.00 remember in boots it all about the fit. Do a search and you will find a good bootfitter close to the bay area. We havea great many members here from the bay area. They would be happy to help you. Drop Dchan a message and he is an instructor and as I recall took a course in boot fitting. He is great guy knows his stuff.Dchan should have a couple of recommendations for Boot fitters in the Tahoe or Bay area.
Now if you do have your own boots check out the tread on bump skis. You will see many have posted a preference for the K2 AxisX /ModX (same ski different years, You should find a good well maintained pair with bindings on eBay or do a search in the ski swap section. Oh and welcome to Epic
post #3 of 16
Thread Starter 


Thanks for the quick reply. I did a bit of reading on the Axis X, both here and via. Google, and it seems like it is pretty much what I am looking for in a ski.

My questions:
(1) I noticed that this is only a fraction of the price of the Zenith Z5 I was originally considering, yet you Bears still seem to rave about it. Is there a reason for this price difference? I have been able to find a set with Marker M1100 bindings on EBay for under $300 shipped. I did a search on these bindings and haven't found much useful information.
(2) Can you guys tell me if this would be a good bet (in terms of bot value and quality)?

And yes, I'm still reading about boots and boot-fitting, but I'm thinking that the boots are independent of what skis I choose? Thanks again.
post #4 of 16
Both the K2's and the Rossi Z5's would seem to fit your purpose however' the K2's might be an easier bump ski due to its dimensions.
post #5 of 16
We have the excellent Nordica SUV 10 and 12, Fischer RX-6 and Atomic Izor 9.7 in our store they are all fine groomer skis with more edge grip and power than the K2. All are ski/binding systems. Some are available online, at this time, the Nordicas are not.

SUV 10, RX-6 = $387
Izor 9.7 = $399
SUV 12.1 = $447


post #6 of 16
Thread Starter 
So, it seems that the Apache X is the remodeled version of the Axis X? If I'm interested in purchasing a set of Axis X, and want to get an idea for how it feels, would it be a good idea to demo the Apache?
post #7 of 16
I don't see how it would be cost effective to own skis if you're only skiing 5 times a year. I like the suggestion of getting a good pair of boots and then renting the skis. As you improve you'll probably find yourself gravitating toward other models and skiing other skis will give you exposure to newer models.
post #8 of 16
Thread Starter 
(5days) * ($40 per day) = $200, for one year. $400 for skis and boots would pay themselves off over two years in that case, plus I'd have a much nicer set of skis compared to the entry-level rentals which are typically ill-maintained. I think picking up a set of skis from EBay is more cost effective.
post #9 of 16
You should take a look at the RX6 also.
post #10 of 16
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the advise, all. I just won a pair of K2 Axis X with Marker M1100 bindings for $220 shipped on EBay. I'm also taking a look at a pair of used Technica boots from a local retailer. All your help has been invaluable in my decision-making progress, much props to this forum!
post #11 of 16
Nice score on skis, but skis without properly fitting boots are trash.

I wouldn't buy used boots, and probably not even if they threw in new liners even if they fitted your for footbeds - they are something that take more time and effort than the "that's the one I want and it's cheap" attitude.
post #12 of 16
Thread Starter 
Does that take into account the fact that I only ski about 5 times a season, and am on a tight budget?

How about this for an idea: demo some boots at $29 a day, and then if I like them, buy the same model online?
post #13 of 16
Originally Posted by sumptimwong
Does that take into account the fact that I only ski about 5 times a season, and am on a tight budget?

How about this for an idea: demo some boots at $29 a day, and then if I like them, buy the same model online?
No. You need propler fitted boots and foot beds.

You have to try on a half dozen different models that are the right sort for your feet (or a couple of dozen if you don't know which ones to try). Then get them shell fitted. Then go ski for a few days. Then bring them back for more fitting, stretching, punching out, foot-bed allignment, etcetera. Ski for a few more days. Then bring them back for more tweaking. Repeat a few more times. Then you will have boots that fit. It should take you about a year or two. I suggest you try and find a good boot-fitter near where you live.
post #14 of 16
Thread Starter 
How much would a good bootfitter charge? Is it just a service that comes with buying a boot from their store? I looked through the boot threads, but didn't seem to find anything. Sorry for the newbie questions, I'm still learning.

It seems like this whole process is very time-consuming and costly, and I'm not sure that I would be able to justify this cost. I have rented skis my whole life, and you all know the kind of garbage boots they rent out. Honestly, I don't think I'm very picky with my feet/boots, and honestly haven't noticed that boots made any difference in my skiing, even the nice demo Tecnica boots I've tried this season. Thoughts?
post #15 of 16
I agree that a proper boot fitting is best, especially if you have odd-shaped feet or any foot problems, or if you want the 100% best fit. That said, if you have fairly normal feet and no significant odd or asymmetric wear on the bottom of your shoes (indicative of an alignment problem like supination or pronation), you can probably get away without a full bootfitting. But at a minimum, you need to take your time and try on several types and sizes of boots to find a good fit. I have been lucky in that I have been able to buy off the shelf boots the last couple times with good results (one time a really good bootfitter even refused to take my money because extra fitting was not needed). But even that took a fair amount of research and time experimenting with different boots and sizes. Heck, I am working on new boots right now -- have narrowed it down to the brand and model, but still undecided on size.

Boots are THE most important part of your ski gear -- take the time, and invest the money to do that part right.

Good luck!
post #16 of 16
In reference to Ghost- you DO NOT need footbeds in your brand new boots. I have skied about 75 days over the last few seasons in my boots, without discomfort, and without the over-priced footbeds. If you find a pair of boots that you like and are comfortable, that's the most important thing. If you happen to need footbeds to make the boots comfortable, then so be it- but don't be convinced that you need them.
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