or Connect
EpicSki › The Barking Bear Forums › On the Snow (Skiing Forums) › Ski Gear Discussion › All-terrain ski with a bias toward carving?
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

All-terrain ski with a bias toward carving?

post #1 of 16
Thread Starter 
Me: 6' tall, 170 lb., 43 y/o solid intermediate (level 6/7 depending on the rating system), now getting 5-10 days a year mostly in the Poconos (PA) & NJ, with an occasional trip up to VT (Jay or Stowe). I used to look for narrow-waisted skis to better handle the machine-groomed hardpack & ice normally found where I ski. An ideal day was endless carved turns on corduroy.

Last weekend I demo'd a wider (68mm waist) ski (by accident, the carving ski I wanted to demo was out) and had a blast. This was 4 days after the Poconos received 24" of snow, so the conditions were still near-perfect. I found myself having as much fun in the mild bumps & powder on the sides of the trails as I did carving down the middle (even on a Poconos "double-black" ). Despite being bow-legged & not having canted skis, edge changes were effortless & I really felt like I had a more stable platform underfoot (my last skis were 180cm Atomic BetaCarve 9.18's w/ a 62mm waist).

So instead of looking for a shorty-slalom/carving ski, I now want to start looking for a more versatile all-terrain ski that has the edge grip I'll need for a typical day of "pocono pow" or some NASTAR, but with the flexibility to venture onto softer snow, mild bumps, crud, and the glades of Jay Peak...if such a ski exists.

I'd rather go for a shorter length (160-170cm) than what would normally be recommended for me since I'm usually on a crowded, small mountain (800-1000' vert).

I was thinking Fischer Sceneo 400, Dynastar Intuitiv 69, Volkl 4 Star, etc., but would also prefer the flexibility to use the binding of my choice (i.e., not Atomic or Marker). Any suggestions?

P.S. What about the "bow-legged skiers should be on narrow-waisted skis" opinion that I've read about?
post #2 of 16
Give Nordica a try. Very lively skis for most conditions. And don't limit yourself to narrow-waisted skis, just because you are bow-legged. By canting the binding, you will be stuck with just the pair of skis you have and will not have too many skis to demo to the full extent. Get your boots to a good bootfitter.

[ February 27, 2003, 04:37 PM: Message edited by: AlexG ]
post #3 of 16
Head i M 70. The waist is 70 mm, the tip is 113, the tail is 102. One of THE best carving skis I've ever been on, and it has what you need for those off-piste experiences.

[ February 27, 2003, 06:43 PM: Message edited by: oboe ]
post #4 of 16
The Fischer Sceneo series rock. The Sceneo 400 is more forgiving than the 500 and is said to be a little more versatile as well. It sounds like it would work great for you. Dimensions are 118-68-100. It has a turn radius of 13 meters at 160cm and a 15 meter turn radius at 170 cm. The 160cm length sounds right for your size. There are a lot of excellent reviews around of the 400 that you can check out for yourself. The ski mags, Peter Keelty's site, SkiPress, Footloose Sports etc.

When just about everyone is saying great things about a ski it usually is. This is not to say that there are not other very good slalom carver skis around but I don't think that you can go wrong with Fischer's Sceneo 400.

EDIT: to insert correct radius info.

[ February 27, 2003, 09:59 PM: Message edited by: Lostboy ]
post #5 of 16
If you can wait, get on next year's Elan S12 Fusion. This was the best ski I have every been on, period. It has the binding (Marker 1200) glued to the wood core of the ski, so the ski is very light feeling. Quick edge-to-edge, light enough for all-mountain use, but great edge hold and stability. The dimensions are 112/62/100, and it definitely has a GS feel. I skied it in crud and pow, and it kept pace with the wider 70mm all-mountain skis. I was on the 176cm (I am 5 foot 8, 155lbs). I prefer it to the Fischer Sceneo series, as the I like a GS feel (vs. the slalom feel of the Sceneo).
post #6 of 16
I'll second Oboe's opinion on the Head iM70.
post #7 of 16
Demo the Sceneo 500 in a 160 length thats what I've been on all season versatile in all conditions and I like the built in riser plate
post #8 of 16
Just read all the posts before mine and I don't think there is a dog among them. Just a reminder to demo a number of skis before you buy. Try as many of the ones the others have suggested as you can. Try the Head IC200 also. It's an awesome all-mountain ski, very good on the groomed, excellent edge hold and I believe it will handle the crud better than most of the others mentioned. However, not a great ski for the bumps.
post #9 of 16
craigr, I demoed three models from Head, one from K2, and two from Rossignol last Wednesday. Although the sky was cloudless and the sun was bright, the air temp rose only into the lower teens to mid teens and had been below zero at night. Conditions were very "crisp" corduroy where groomed and "Son of Death Cookie" where ungroomed. My evaluations must necessarily be limited to performance in those conditions.

On that day in those conditions, the Head i.M 70 was the most fun ski of the day. It's edge hold and smooth carveability was sweet, and it was quite nimble. I'm seriously considering buying a pair. Their footprint suggests they'd be good in softer, deeper snow, but I'll make that judgment when I have a chance to try them there - but I'd be surprised if they weren't ok there. I'm suspecting that the Head i.M 70, being shaped for off piste and being such a great carver on hard snow, is probably as versatile as I'll find - and FUN! Smoooooth! Nimble!

I weigh 150 and stand 5'8". I'm an average intermediate skier. The 170 length was perfect for me. You might wish to use that as a basis for the length that would work for you.

[ March 03, 2003, 05:48 AM: Message edited by: oboe ]
post #10 of 16
Fisher Sceneo 500 or 400 (same ski as 500 without built in plate and titanium content). Excellent all mountain hard or soft snow skis. Go short. I'm 165 lb on 160's.

post #11 of 16
based on your self-description, and on the reviews I've read of the Sceneo 500, I would suggest avoiding it. every review I've heard suggests that your skills should be refined because it won't allow much skidding or sloppy technique without punishment.

I would suggest the Fischer Sceneo 400 or the Volkl T-50 4-star.
post #12 of 16
Originally posted by gonzostrike:
based on your self-description, and on the reviews I've read of the Sceneo 500, I would suggest avoiding it. every review I've heard suggests that your skills should be refined because it won't allow much skidding or sloppy technique without punishment.

I would suggest the Fischer Sceneo 400 or the Volkl T-50 4-star.
Absolutely true! The sweet spot of the S500 is very small and the ski is torsionally very stiff. I love this ski in powder, crud and broken snow. I am a little less enthusiastic about hard snow performance, where the ski is too demanding for my liking.
post #13 of 16
Disclaimer: I rep for Fischer

I am a big fan of both the 500 and 400. I doubt you can find the 500 anywhere. My understanding is they are gone.

I just received a demo pair of the RX8 which replaces the Sceneo. Folks who have tried it love it. Somehow the turning radius is described as tighter even though the dimensions don't suggest it.

Based upon the original post I would have suggested a Sceneo in a 16o cm length. I have never found it unforgiving or difficult to skid at slow speeds. Could that be due to a bad tune?

Another idea might be the WC SC in a 160. I spend 80% of my time on that ski and love it.
post #14 of 16
Add the Volant Gravity 68 to your list. Nothing holds the "packed powder" of the Poconos like the torsionally stiff Volant. No, Volants are dead fishes on the snow! Not true, anymore. With the new V2 design the ski is much livelier, especially edge to edge. With the production and materials going from Colorado to Austria, in the Atomic plant, bases and edges have never been better.
post #15 of 16
If you have difficulty finding the Sceneo model of your choice you may want to contact WWW.MTPILCHUCK.COM They still had a few 400's and 500's left in 160's and 170's as of this past weekend. Maybe its owing to the rather poor snow season so far in the PNW. Nevertheless, judging by how few remain since I bought mine earlier this season, they seem to be very popular.
post #16 of 16
From another bow legger. Get your boot shafts tipped out so you stand flat. I used Spademan bindings for years because I could cant under them to make up for my bow legs. Sounds fine right? No it isn't, you will pay a price for having your soles at an angle. The foot tries to slide down in the boot and mashes the outside of your foot mercilessly. All day hard skiing makes you wish for boots that would cant. I spent about a hundred hours on my Dachstein V5 boots over the years. Now they feel like bedroom slippers after a hard day of skiing. Every little bump and knob on my foot has a carved out place to go and I modified the canting system to make my six degree out of line pins not elevate the inside of my foot. So I can ski any ski that can adjust to the sole of the boot in a normal fashion.
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Ski Gear Discussion
EpicSki › The Barking Bear Forums › On the Snow (Skiing Forums) › Ski Gear Discussion › All-terrain ski with a bias toward carving?