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post #91 of 96
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Originally Posted by borntoski683 View Post
 

if you try to keep a passive and quiet upper body while you steer or pivot your skis underneath it, your upper will follow the lower, staying square with the skis.  Your upper is not attached to anything else to stabilize it otherwise.  In order to give the appearance that its stabilized and independent from the legs, you have to use counter-acting muscle activations which gradually turns the upper out relative to the legs.   You turn the legs in and the hip out at the same time.  You push or pull muscles against each other.

 

You can pretend you are not or choose to ignore thinking about it, but those activations are necessary and you are using them when you create counter.  Some people need to wake up their awareness of this in order to get better upper lower separation.

 

Also, some of the ski pivoting happens due to ski design, in other words, passively....and then even more counter-acting muscle use is needed to ski into counter.

 

BTS, that's exactly the point... when you do a pivot slip or javelin turn, instead of mechanically blocking your spin by saying "counter! counter!" and artificially adding tension, you work on getting the ski turning under your body. External focus instead of internal focus. 

post #92 of 96
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Originally Posted by Metaphor_ View Post

BTS, that's exactly the point... when you do a pivot slip or javelin turn, instead of mechanically blocking your spin by saying "counter! counter!" and artificially adding tension, you work on getting the ski turning under your body. External focus instead of internal focus. 

It just doesn't work without counter-acting movements Meta. You can relax all you want but your hips will follow your skis unless you turn them out.
post #93 of 96
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It just doesn't work without counter-acting movements Meta. You can relax all you want but your hips will follow your skis unless you turn them out.


OR a hi-side to face-plant.  :)

post #94 of 96

Anyone who teaches beginners and lower level skiers ends up teaching them to keep their hips from turning as much as their feet.  V

They find this very hard to do with only a focus on the feet and legs.  

They need a conscious focus on keeping the hips from doing what they want to do - turn along with the feet.

Until this is totally embedded in muscle memory, there's nothing wrong with thinking about it.  AFAIK

post #95 of 96
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Originally Posted by LiquidFeet View Post

I like what you're saying, hrstrat.  I read through the whole thing too and wondered where Vlad and the rest went.  Great info here.

RicB stood out for me. I am a nearly 100% visual learner/ video or show me and I copy. Played and coached just about every major major sport...with skiing it is boots on the snow or I just don't get it. Most of these threads are counterproductive for me. Nothing wrong with the threads and posters - it's me.

RicB was one of the unique posters who could make his point in a manner I could usually understand.

Been nosing around this forum a bit lately and my head is spinning. I so appreciate threads where the verbal points are embellished with relevant video. I try to post video when I can....I love the csia and amsao stuff. The other night I hunted the Internet a bit and found some new gems / actually posted some demo team skiing the other night.

The difficulty for me and the reason I don't post more is that I don't want to post video to elucidate points made by another. A non visual learner vs myself it is like we speak different languages. Keep it very simple or I just don't get it. I might post video tha doesn't exactly illustrate the point the non visual poster was trying to make. In my perfect world one of our experts will get on the hill and film a set of demos. Gagnon's stuff is pretty good for example.

Carry on....
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