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MA Request (for fun) Crud/Powder Skiing

post #1 of 16
Thread Starter 
I am not usually interested in my off-piste skills because it is one area of skiing that I prefer to just have fun with... without dialing in a proper turn. I was curious however, what everyone thought of the turns I was making in the crud at Alta (from the post your videos thread). I don't really know what kind of turn they are. In the clip I had wished it was steeper/longer so I could build speed. On previous runs I was getting better angles in the turns and more energy out of them, but alas, they were not caught on film. I also posted a powder skiing clip in that other thread, but that was really a "fun" clip since I was riding the tails for a good portion of the clip... mainly because I could - that snow was that deep! Anyhow, the clip is just to the skier's left of Gunsight at Alta (the part you have to traverse and hike to). Thanks to all who comment (don't kill yourselves - I don't take this as seriously as my carved turns on hardpack).

Crud/powder skiing at Alta


Later


GREG

EDIT: Since both powder clips are getting attention I linked the post in the "Post your videos" thread that has both clips in it.
http://forums.epicski.com/showpost.p...3&postcount=22
post #2 of 16
Greg,

More A&E please.

As you pointed out....in pow..just have some fun. Being sloppy in the pow is what fat skis are for! :-)

Seriously though, if you want to look or feel smoother, try using a bit of absorbtion at the turn transition. As you leave the fallline and start to come across the hill...relax your legs.. This will do all kinds of things, just like it does on hardpack, but on pow it will also bring your skis up to the surface.

One thing I have noticed about your skiing in general is that you end up flexed either at the fall line or just past the fall line. Be extended at the fall line and flexed as your cross the transition. The flex should not be a downward flex...but a relaxing of your legs that allows them to rise. I think you started out in this video to do what you normally do on packed runs(what I just said above) but realized it wasn't really working for you and switched to a very static set of turns with little or no A&E.

Do the A&E, but try the timing the way I described.

cheers

ps - Crud in Alta? Say it isn't so.
post #3 of 16
Looks stiff and strong, in a legs-bent position. Seems to be mainly knees doing the work. You must have very strong quads to be able to do that all day.
post #4 of 16
ant he is still young not old like you and me
post #5 of 16

King of the Hill

Nice skiing Greg! You seem to be able to go fast and in controll wherever you ski. I particulary liked your jump entry on the other clip. Great action. Also your wide stance seems to work well for you off pist.

I agree with dewdman42, your skiing looks pritty much the same carving as it does here off bound (nothing wrong with that). I dont know what kind of skis you are using but it looks to me that you are trying to float your skitips which puts you in the back seat. I know Im not into this new style of skiing in powder and I try to stay as centered as possible but the new skis seem to put everyone very far back. I really need to try some out.

On my last vacation to the alps I did some powder skiing on short SL race skis. I wish my putfile account would slip out of the maintenance mode so that I could post it here. On the other hand my powder skiing looks exactly like my carving the way your powder skiing resemble your carving. I did a funny test, I put my powder skiing and carving overlapping each other in the same rhythm and it really looks very similair.
post #6 of 16

Be light and float on top of the snow

You like to ski hard-packed and try to pressure and bend the ski, which works fine. But if you pressure and try to bend the ski on crud or powder, there is nothing for the ski to press against. The skis just go deeper into the snow and it makes turning very difficult.

Try to ski very light and float on top of the snow - imagine skiing on eggshells and you don't want to break any. Just tip the skis and enjoy the ride .. keep the legs loose (use extension and absorption as dewd says) to control the pressure and stay light. A little narrower stance might work better in these conditions.

If you find you don't have enough speed, then go straighter. let the skis run - it does work better with more speed.
post #7 of 16
That looked pretty good to me. Fall line skiing with a rhythm - apparent enjoyment.

Here's what I see. I could be totally wrong. You're all tips. You need to be centered more on the ski. It's causing imbalance.

The basics: bring your boots under you hips more. Stand tall and lead with the head and chest.

Look at the video again as see the tips of your skis.

Keep in mind, the snow here is not easy.
post #8 of 16
I agree about the narrower stance also
post #9 of 16
Ya know,

I was going to say something about that stance width for those conditions, but did you see those freaking PONTOONS on his feet?

There are some nice powerful turn finishes in this clip. But you hang on to a couple of turns too long (and kill your speed), then at the beginning of the turns you lift the tip of the inside ski. Uh - Oh Spaghetti O's! Your turn initiation movements start top down instead of bottom up.
post #10 of 16
PONTOONS.. indeed.
post #11 of 16
I'm a little disappointed in you Greg. Trading in your race skis just because of a few snowflakes. Good skiing. My take, stand higher to create a more dynamic turn and a little tighter stance width, ok.
post #12 of 16
Thread Starter 
Machete FB's 126-94-something
post #13 of 16
I bet you couldn't wait to get back home and cut trenches in the hardpack after Utah! Nice jump off the rocks. You navigated everything fine and even played around on your tails for good fun. I thought you made some nice turns in the deep. I have a pair of FB's too, and plan on taking them out to Colorado next month. Odds are they will get more use in the afternoon slop than the pow you enjoyed, but you never know.
post #14 of 16
Quote:
Originally Posted by tdk6
...it looks to me that you are trying to float your skitips which puts you in the back seat. I know Im not into this new style of skiing in powder and I try to stay as centered as possible but the new skis seem to put everyone very far back.
As far as I know, sitting on the tails in powder is an -old- technique. The current advice is to stay centered. Apparently, there are two techniques for keeping wide skis on the surface, a subtle pumping of the legs to bring the skis up or tilting the tips up. (Skinny skis don't stay on the surface unless you are going really fast.)

The problem with riding the tails in powder is the same as on harder stuff: the tips don't engage make the turn.

Greg said he was intentially riding the tails but I'm not sure why.
post #15 of 16
Quote:
Originally Posted by njkayaker
As far as I know, sitting on the tails in powder is an -old- technique. The current advice is to stay centered. Apparently, there are two techniques for keeping wide skis on the surface, a subtle pumping of the legs to bring the skis up or tilting the tips up. (Skinny skis don't stay on the surface unless you are going really fast.)

The problem with riding the tails in powder is the same as on harder stuff: the tips don't engage make the turn.

Greg said he was intentially riding the tails but I'm not sure why.
When I ski powder I try to keep my skis submerged all the time. Im not saying they stay under surface all the time but Im aiming for that. Riding the tails may have been an old technique but never a proper one. Good skiing in powder has allways been to stay centered. BTW, I notissed with my new SL skis that since they are somewhat wide in front and very narrow under my boot they tend to lift the tips up to the surface while pressure is not really building up underneath my boot. The pumping effect is hereby lost a bit.

Greg was probably just riding the tails because he can .
post #16 of 16
Thread Starter 
Yeah, the tails thing was just for fun. If you look at the first turns I was skiing "normal" and then once my speed built up I decided to take advantage of the depth of the snow. I love skiing in stuff like that. It's rare to get those kinds of conditions - especially when your normal ski area doesn't get that much snow in an entire season.
Later
GREG
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