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VIST X-Free

post #1 of 23
Thread Starter 
I just want to say I have them for a couple of days, and I like them so far. I didn't ski them much today as it was a powder day and I didn't want to wreck a pair of skis that are not mine. The skis have the best factory tune I have ever seen. The kind of tune you'd pay $150 for. Sidewalls are ripped back all the way to the tips and the bases are perfectly flat. The ski is suprisingly soft, and has a pretty good amount of shape. It skis shorter and fatter then it actually is. I'll ski it for a few more days and then get back to you all.
post #2 of 23
And?

what do you think after a few more days?
post #3 of 23
Thread Starter 
I did get to ski them quite a bit, and I have to say I like dthem a lot. They were good at just about everything, felt fatter than they are so decent in pow and other soft snow, decent in bumps, nice shape and pretty turny although a little long and took some effort to make real short turns (one day I'll try the smaller size). The one place where they really shone though was edgehold - I've never tried a non-racestock ski that was even close in edgehold, and this with a 77mm waist. Pretty amazing really, they were like skates. Way more grip than my Superspeeds or Top Fuels. I didn't ski them as much as I wanted to or in all the places I wanted to because to be honest they were so expensive, and they're not mine, I didn't want to hurt them. Great ski though. They have the do it all feel of the Karma, but with the edgehold of a racestock ski. They sometimes seemed to be just a little too big for me. For reference, I am 6' 200 lbs, and ski the Superspeed in 175, the TF in 170, and the Karma in 177.
post #4 of 23
Interesting.

I was just reading about it on Nevasport.

Wonder if anyone here has skied Speedlock on a non-Vist ski.
post #5 of 23
Thread Starter 
I have. I skied it on a 178 Scot Schmidt Pro Model. The binding and plate are actually pretty cool. I wasn't a huge fan of the ski. I skied the Head M82 on the same day and liked it far more (and it probably cost half as much too).
post #6 of 23
Thread Starter 
A little update since these skis are pretty rare. I got a pair of 172s this winter and have been skiing them a fair amount. Conditions haven't been great, so I leave them home when I expect the trails to be too dirty. I like the skis more every time I ski them. I have been mostly skiing groomers since that's what we have this year, but have done some bump skiing with them as well. They are really nice in the bumps the tip is soft enough to make them fun, but not at the expense of making the rest of the ski too soft. The other skis I've been on a lot lately are my Contact 11s and my Top Fuels (dirt skis). The VISTs compare very well to both of those skis.
post #7 of 23
I got a chance to take thses for a 'spin around the block', unfortunaty it was along the lines of taking a Porsche on a test drive through a residential neighborhood. I felt the potential of the ski, but didn't get a chance to expose it. The Vist is one serious ski, I will say that.
post #8 of 23
I have a 182 that truely rocks. I would agree with everything Epic has posted and add that they have the fastest gliding bases of any ski I've ever skied. That is not something I would normally notice or comment on but 3 turns on them and I was thinking "danm these things accelerate..." The combination of grip and sidecut suits my 'on piste' groomed skiing to a T.

Very versatile, very fun, very fast, very rare, very $$$.
post #9 of 23
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Originally Posted by Whiteroom View Post
Very versatile, very fun, very fast, very rare, very $$$.
and (IMHO) very ugly Not that the graphics would stop me from purchasing.
post #10 of 23
Thread Starter 
The funny thing is the park kids seem to love the graphics. I took mine off on Friday and left them by the Quad so I wouldn't have to carry them back up the hill after lunch. I came over the rise and there were a bunch of park rats checkingthem out. Later I stopped above some rails and they were asking where I got them, etc. I'd have thought the skis were way too "euro" for them. Maybe the marketing geniuses that have been giving us Seth Pistols, Scratches and so on are going the wrong way.
post #11 of 23
i saw these last season at A Racer's Edge in Breck, which seems to have changed their name and dropped the Vist from their stock (at least if you go by their website).

at any rate, I thought it was interesting that Vist doesn't promote the skis on their website. Granted I haven't been on their site in about a couple of months, but i was never able to find any info on the skis after seeing them last season and even reading a positive plug/reviewin Skiing, as well.
post #12 of 23
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I was told that they are afraid that if they push the skis too much they will lose binding and plate customers which are the bulk of thier business.
post #13 of 23
that's lame.

why even bother to make skis if you're not going to promote them?

seems like a waste of time and energy to me, unless they're doing it for tax purposes.

btw, how are Vist bindings?

they look cool, but i haven't ever actually seen any on the slopes and have only seen them at A Racer's Edge and one shop in Telluride.
post #14 of 23
I skied the X-Free in 182cm in Feb(?), awesome, better in some ways than my Rotors (179cm) especially more forgiving in the bumps. For reference I am 6'2" and 195lbs. I found them very fast, quiet and easy to feather the edge. The edge hold was not as precise as I like but they were set up with a 1/1. A little bit of tuning love (lots of waxing and a proper edge 1/2 ) would really bring them alive as far as I am concerned. I really liked the 182 and agree that it skis shorter and fatter than the actual dimensions but is rock solid stable at flat out speeds. I am toying with the 172cm (which I did not get time to ski) as my do everything ski and not bothering with a carving ski for training next year.

I agree that it is a bit lame to have the secret marketing campaign - reason given above is the same as the one I heard.

For information (and to answer the other question) I ski VIST Speedlock on all my Stocklis (Laser SC/ Rotor and DP Pro) and they are the business. Imagine the dampening and leverage provided by a race plate on all one's skis. I have always liked the Volkl/ Marker and Dynstar/ Look systems but the VIST is just in a different league. And a bonus is that the DIN marking is just what is says it is (I find Markers are a bit lighter than the marking).

The brake on the 6-14 for the Rotor (76mm) is just wide enough to squeeze on the DP Pro (94mm) so one binding does both skis (the whole point of the the SL system). I have a second binding so that clients can demo ski one of my skis if they want.
post #15 of 23

to Andrew R

Hi, What kind of Vist plates do you have on your stocklis?. I've got an old blue/red pair of xl's. I ski slow (relatively), but ski steeps, chutes, bowls, trees & bumps. So I don't want to change the feel of the ski to much with a plate thats to stiff. I was thinking about switching out to a pair of old but good look pivot demo bindings so I could play with fore/aft positions. The vist system sounds real interesting, if not for these skis, for a new pair.
post #16 of 23
I have two types pf plate but you would probably want the Speedlock TT in 19mm or 14mm. It has two flex rods and assists dampening so one can bash through or over anything (crud etc).

I ski the 19mm as I like the leverage it generates to get the wider skis on edge.

I also ski the 19mm Race Plate on my 170cm carving skis but these are alot stiffer and as I have stated earlier fit for the purpose of the ski - ie harder snow/ ice, shorter radius turns and higher speeds.
post #17 of 23
Is anyone aware of whether there are any changes in the Vist X Free from 05'-06' to 06'-07' or subsequently?
post #18 of 23
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Originally Posted by allan o'neil View Post
Is anyone aware of whether there are any changes in the Vist X Free from 05'-06' to 06'-07' or subsequently?
Same ski. If you can find some Hart Stage One's or Pulse, it is the same ski. Dims are 124/77/110 and are about as high of quality ski as you will ever ski. As Epic said the "factory tune" is indeed top notch.
post #19 of 23
Just thought I would share what I know about these skis.

I work for a ski shop part time, and we recently started carrying VIST skis.
VIST skis are made in Italy. I have been told that the brother of the founder of the company has recently become Bode Millers personal tuner. When our shop went out to test these skis he was there.
That could be the reason for the unbelivable factory tune, whether directly done by the brother or the tuners are taught by him.
My 2 cents.
Greg
post #20 of 23
The Philpug saga continues. Earlier this year, Phil sold 3 pair of skies for me. Keep the cash? Naaahhh! Phil and Finndog became the Blues Brothers on a "Mission from God" to get me a new pair of skis.

Phil had a brand new pair of 08 180 Hart Stage 1's which in 09 is the Hart Pulse. Same ski as Vist X. The Blues Brothers concluded that I really needed this ski, and, as Phil was going with a Blizzard, I bought his skis complete with Vist speedlock system. Picked them up Tuesday and Wednesday took them to Phil's favorite Blue Mt.

While I only took them for a few runs on some pretty bad snow, I think Epic described them very well in the OP (only he skies a hell of a lot better than me). Phil, Finn and I will be in Jackson Hole in January and my gut feeling is those skis were made for that mountain.

Now, if I can only dress as good as Finndog!

Phil - Thanks for everything in gettin this done.
post #21 of 23
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Originally Posted by comprex View Post
Interesting.

I was just reading about it on Nevasport.

Wonder if anyone here has skied Speedlock on a non-Vist ski.

I have VIST speedlock on my Stocklis:

Pro Plate on my Rotors 169 cm (did have the TT plate on this one but changed it to make the ski feel stiffer). I have also skied the Rotors in 179cm with the TT plate for two seasons.

TT plate on my DP Pros 193 cm.

Had a Pro plate on my 07 Laser SCs but I never used these skis (too narrow for teaching and too short & short radius for NASTAR and Masters GS) so I donated them to the Adaptive program. hence having a Pro plate to try on my Rotors.

I run 2 pairs of 6-14 bindings.

My wife has the TT plate and 3-12s on her Spirit Editions (157 cm) as she is a bit lighter (well a lot lighter) and a gentle smooth skier.

Might end up with the spare TT plate on Head m82s as there is no Stockli dealer here in Whistler so not much point (other than personal gratification) being on Stocklis.

Skied the X-Free and thought it was a fantastic ski (as were all the VIST skis I tried) but again not much point in being on a ski that no-one else can buy.
post #22 of 23
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Originally Posted by WhatIsHip View Post
Just thought I would share what I know about these skis.

I work for a ski shop part time, and we recently started carrying VIST skis.
VIST skis are made in Italy. I have been told that the brother of the founder of the company has recently become Bode Millers personal tuner. When our shop went out to test these skis he was there.
That could be the reason for the unbelivable factory tune, whether directly done by the brother or the tuners are taught by him.
My 2 cents.
Greg

I thought that VIST has its skis made for them by Blossom (hand made in Italy - hence craftmanship and attention to detail) but they may have changed things.

http://www.blossomski.com/

Lou (Calgary) was going to stock them (not sure if he still does) they are so hard to come by and quite expensive.

The tunes on their WC SL and GS skis were mental good.
post #23 of 23
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Originally Posted by Andrew R View Post
I thought that VIST has its skis made for them by Blossom (hand made in Italy - hence craftmanship and attention to detail) but they may have changed things.

http://www.blossomski.com/

Lou (Calgary) was going to stock them (not sure if he still does) they are so hard to come by and quite expensive.

The tunes on their WC SL and GS skis were mental good.
Thanks for the link tro Blossom...I just downloaded their 2008-2009 catalog...W-o-w!
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