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post #1 of 28
Thread Starter 
Well, I never thought I would put a video of myself up, but here goes. Saw the thread on reality vs. perception and as I have felt that I have not been skiing well recently (stuck in a rut), got Tag Jr. to shot a little video of me. I have to admit I have rarely seen myself ski before. I'm always the one behind the camera, not in front of it. Anyway, have been trying a few things to get me going again, but wasn't sure if they were really making a difference. Will reserve comment on what I see vs. what I thought I would see for later.

{edit} removed the link to Putfile - just use the links below to see the video

This is at Copper on Andy's Encore. Only other comment is this was my first run on a pair of Volkl Unlimited AC4 demo's.

So, comments? Suggestions?

{edit} OK, here's another link to get the video plus an additional bit of film

http://home.comcast.net/~lilrebo01/v...ysatCopper.mpg

Second video - shot right after the one above - slightly steeper trail - a bit more speed

http://home.comcast.net/~lilrebo01/v...alatcopper.mpg
post #2 of 28
Tag,

It's not a bad rut to be stuck in. It's a nice smooth style. The fore aft balance is quite centered. You're getting the hips inside the turn and the skis on edge above the fall line. You're getting some great angulation on your right turns. The turns are relatively round in shape. Your edge change is simultaneous. Before we go any further, I want Yury to watch how your legs cross underneath and your hips come across early in the turn. This would be a good next step for Yury.

I'll go out on a limb here and call this a classic lower expert rut. Looking at this skiing, I can feel your pain. Your movement gets stuck in a couple of places, there's a little skidding in the upper part of the turns and there is this big giant question: "Please sir, can I have more?" The answer, of course, is "How can you eat your pudding if you don't eat your meat?".

I'm going to guess you learned to ski before shaped skis. The upper part of the turn entry show tiny telltale signs of upunweighting and tail pushing. And your stance width gets awful narrow in spots and then opens up here and there. Your punishment will be .... cowboy turns (skis wider than hip width apart) and one ski skiing (there are several different variations, you should have a pro help with this - I'm too lazy to write up something - It's easy to not do this right). The idea is to start using your ankles more. Oh - and doing a pole touch every once in a .... a turn wouldn't kill you either. If you could tip your knees and ankles into the turn earlier in the turn, just as the skis are passing underneath you, you could that little extra bit of performance out of the skis at the top of the turn instead of steering them to get them started.

At 15 seconds (coming at the camera, right before the boarder gets up), your legs open up just a bit. That's the stance width I'd like to see you keep most of the time. That amount of width will let you get a little more long leg/short leg different going. That's going to help you get your knees and ankles rolling onto the edge earlier as well. What your doing now is getting your hips to the inside of the turn by sliding the inside ski in closer. That's cheating! This is clearly demonstrated in the first left turn as you pass in front of the lift tower. Most of your left turns are a little banky. The one at 5 seconds (just before the zoom out) was your best left turn. At the bottom of this turn your skis get a little wider apart. Now from there, if we could only get a little more pinch at the right hip by lifting up the left shoulder, that would put you into a better position to finish the turn just a little more, coming into a more countered position at the end of the turn and setting up a much more powerful entry into the next turn.

Once you've got the cowboy turns down, try some railroad tracks with a focus on driving the knees diagonally forward when you start the new turn. That ought to cement the new feeling in.

(note to other MA wanna bes like me- I used Windows Media Recorder to capture a copy of the clip onto my PC, then used V1 Home to look at the clip frame by frame - you'll never see half this stuff hitting the pause button on the streaming feed.)
post #3 of 28
therusty, I wish I could figure out how to do that. 90% of the time the dang Putfile videos won't even play for me.
post #4 of 28
Oh, and Tag, if I ever kick this virus, maybe you can take this Bear to lunch and we can see it all live...
post #5 of 28
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by therusty
Tag,

It's not a bad rut to be stuck in. It's a nice smooth style. The fore aft balance is quite centered. You're getting the hips inside the turn and the skis on edge above the fall line. You're getting some great angulation on your right turns. The turns are relatively round in shape. Your edge change is simultaneous.
Thanks!


Quote:
Originally Posted by therusty
I'm going to guess you learned to ski before shaped skis. The upper part of the turn entry show tiny telltale signs of upunweighting and tail pushing. And your stance width gets awful narrow in spots and then opens up here and there.
Give that man a cigar! I started skiing about 45 years ago and most definitely 'came into my own' waaay before shaped skis hit the market. I'll get into what that means to my skiing later.

Thanks, Rusty!

Quote:
90% of the time the dang Putfile videos won't even play for me
ssh, I have the same problem with Putfile - seems hit and miss if it will play the video or crash IE!
post #6 of 28
: Doesn't play for me. :
post #7 of 28

OT - how to stick it to Putfile

Steve,

Ok. This was painful. Here's how I did it.

Before yesterday, I could only get 1/2 of the putfile videos to display. For Tag's clip I could only hear sound. I suspected a Codec problem since I have Windows Media, QuickTime, DIVX, RealPlayer, Adobe Premiere and V1 installed on the same PC. With all the fighting these guys do, it's a wonder more stuff does not get screwed up more often. As much as I love RealPlayer, when they combined shoving crummy beta stuff down my throat with trying to get me to buy stuff every week, I turned off everything automatic to get them to shut up.

So I started with upgrading the Real software. I cranked up RealPlayer standalone on my PC, navigated to a check for updates button and let it do its thing. The latest license was a little scary with regard to credit card numbers (but no worry since I had not given them one), I had to dig out a long forgotten password for an online account I could care less about, and I had to stop it from taking over every video and audio file type ever invented, but that was not too bad. Then it wanted to reboot. (Wave the Red Flag here)

Real played an intro ad on boot up, then tried to display the putfile clip (??????) in a standalone window. Putfile does not like this. So RealPlayer hung. That window closed ok, but now my Outlook program was lost in the weeds. So I shut down to start over again. After 5 minutes of watching Windows "saving settings" and randomly flashing the disk light occaisonally and no response to a few choice words directed at the monitor, I decided to hit the BIG RED SWITCH (that's the power switch for you kids not familiar with PCs from the 1980s). After it came back up and I fixed a little desktop setting, the Putfile video clip worked!

Next I worked with my copy of Windows Media recorder. This product has now been upgraded to something called Replay Video. There was an old thread on here somewhere that told you how to get this software free from peer to peer sharing, but I just bought a copy off the main site because it's the right thing to do. The old product seems simple enough, but for the life of me reading the directions does not get the job done. It's got different programs for recording from realplayer or windows media clips and wants to know the URL of the clip it's recording. Sites like Putfile want you to view the clip in a player embedded in the browser window, so you've got to right click and hop on one foot to get that info. Anyway, the latest RealPlayer allowed me to get a separate player window going and get to the URL. A little hand waving and WMR captured the clip. Finally, OUILA - I had an mpg clip I could open in V1.

I suppose I should upgrade my WMR to the new stuff to see if it makes it easier to get to work, but I have had enough jerking around with this kind of crap for this week. It's no wonder I get paid a small fortune to do this kind of crap for my day job.
post #8 of 28
Please don't "stick it" to Putfile. They are much better than any other free video hosting service I've used, and it would be a real shame if they went under due to widespread misuse.
post #9 of 28
Yeah, well I'm sorry about that. I may just have to stop trying to help people who put their videos there then. It may be easier for you, but it's a bitch for me. I don't know about anyone else, but I can do an infinitely better MA job (and much faster) with my own tools than I can with standard viewer controls.

There's got be a free place that can host clips without preventing you from saving them on your own PC. Be nice to your analyst, otherwise you'll end up getting what you pay for.
post #10 of 28
Thread Starter 
Not trying to knock Putfile - just stating a fact that, for whatever reason, sometimes I can get the vid to display, other times, IE crashes. Thought it was just my vid, but it happens on other videos that I try to play from the site too.

Will see if I can get the file uploaded to a different host when I get home tonight. Otherwise, all I can say is just to try the link above again.

Tag
post #11 of 28
One thing I like about this video is that it is quicktime. perhaps some of you don't have quicktime installed. but the nice thing about quicktime is that it has a still frame by frame advance button which is very helpful for analyzing these videos frame by frame.

Regarding the skiing, I would like to see more angulation. You're leaning into the turns (inclination), but not angulating at the hips, nor countering. If you do those two things you're going to get bigger edge angles, better carving and more fun factor. Old habits die hard.

I agree with rusty also that you're a bit narrow, particularly at the fall line. If you were angulated and countered and getting some nice edge angles there, you would not be comfortable with your feet that close to together at that part of the turn. It would be downright difficult if not impossible to do in fact. So which comes first, the chicken or the egg? I think widening your stance is immediately easy to do and as mentioned already, will give you some leg independence that you need in order to be able to do the angulation and countering and big edge angles.
post #12 of 28
I don't think it's QT dude. When I saved it, it saved as an .mpg. On my system that popped up RealPlayer. But because the window is embedded in a browser window, it uses the plug in version of the player. That and because it's streamed can cause some weird stuff. Try doing a screen print of the video (print screen key) and pasting it into a paint program. It looks ok until you try to do something with it, then the pic shifts wackily. Really cool effect if you want to prevent people from copying anything out of your vid. Really sucks if you're trying to point things out to help people.
post #13 of 28
well..I guess I was mixing up format from program. If you saved the file as MPG, then on my system quicktime is the application assigned to play those file formats. RealPlayer or something else could just as easily have been defined for playing them back. I happen to like quicktime because of the frame by frame I can do. Perhaps you can do that with RealPlayer as well. When people post WMV files, they get played by my browser with MediaPlayer which does not allow frame by frame. Im' not sure if that is because of Media player or the WMV file format or both. Anyway, kudos for using MPG, which plays back in quicktime for me.

Perhaps people were having problems playing back the video because they did not have an MPG capable video player on their system.
post #14 of 28
Tag, it's not all that bad.

All the other posters are right, especially on stance width, but how about getting some "vertical" movement first? What I see is that the bodies angles don't really change in the turn -- do stuff to promote lots of extension/flexion, and bring it into the skiing.

Here's on to try: No poles. Touch head at fall-line, max extension. then as turn progresses, touch hips, knees and finally boots as skis point across the hill. Then, touch knees, hips and head on the way back to pointing skis down fall-line. Repeat.

Stay as centered as possible.

Variations:

1) Always face the fall-line.
2) While skiing through crud and chop.
3) point inside arm straight out and touch using outside hand only.

And do widen the stance a touch -- feet under hips please!

Hope this helps.

Cheers!
post #15 of 28
another exercise I saw on the USSA CDROM I just got(which is overpriced by the way, but at least I'm supporting the org I guess), but good exercise for this..

no poles. for each turn take your outside hand and place it firmly on your outside hip as you complete the entire turn. Make sure that entering and exiting the fall line your hand is firmly on your hip. Not touching, not in some wierd contorted position, but on your hip nice and snug and comfortable. Meanwhile, during this same action your inside hand reach straight up into the air.

As you transition between turns, switch hands.

Do this until you can do it balanced without falling back, etc.. Note the pinch you feel in your outside hip when your hand is on it. enhance that pitch by allowing your body to bend there as if you were pushing down with your hand. The pinch is not from your hand, but from the angulation that hopefully you will start creating as you become more aware of that part of your body. A lot of the G forces build up right there if you're angulating right.
post #16 of 28
Quote:
Originally Posted by dewdman42
well..I guess I was mixing up format from program. If you saved the file as MPG, then on my system quicktime is the application assigned to play those file formats. RealPlayer or something else could just as easily have been defined for playing them back. I happen to like quicktime because of the frame by frame I can do. Perhaps you can do that with RealPlayer as well. When people post WMV files, they get played by my browser with MediaPlayer which does not allow frame by frame. Im' not sure if that is because of Media player or the WMV file format or both. Anyway, kudos for using MPG, which plays back in quicktime for me.

Perhaps people were having problems playing back the video because they did not have an MPG capable video player on their system.
Dewd,

You got it - almost. Most every PC user has Windows Media Player. It plays mpg files. People get problems because there are so many players fighting it out over video that they make it easy real easy for stuff to break. Everybody says they can play the other guys formats so they fight over associating their program with the various file types, then somebody makes a new version of the format and stuff gets screwed up.

I just use the V1 Home software. It's free and it does frame by frame on wmv, mpg et. al. and has the angle tool to measure angulation.
post #17 of 28
one question, how do I download the videos from Putfile? I thought I had to view them within the browser window. I have v1home installed also, would be nice to view them there...
post #18 of 28
Dewd,

Maybe this clip is "broken" in Putfile. It allows me to right click on the video window. The Realplayer menu that comes up allows me to select play in theater mode. That brings up a separate "realplayer" window. That allows me to select file - clip properties. That gives me the url of the mpg clip. When you plug that into WMR for Realplayer - that allows me to copy the mpg file to my hard disk while it plays in the standalone realplayer window. Oops wait, I forgot the hop on one foot, chew gum, drink a glass of green beer, swing your ski pole in a circle and pray.

Other putfile vids have the right click disabled a little stronger.
post #19 of 28
yea...looks like quicktime player will only let me save the source if I pay for upgraded Pro version. (er hem).... Anyway, at least I can frame advance and back in quicktime right in the browser...so its cool.

I wonder if I can setup quicktime to also play WMV movies...
post #20 of 28
Well that did it. I upgraded my QuickTime player and now it wants to display the video even though I told it to leave mpg alone. Sheesh. I did figure out that the other vids were triggering the quicktime player instead of the rm player and that there's an intermediate page that triggers the browser plug in and I can see the javascript that triggers the mouse down capture. With a little fooling around, this should not be too hard to beat. Come to think of it, I could probably just hook up Paros and be done with it. Except my patience and curiosity have been depleted for today.
post #21 of 28
Tag, I'd like to see you moving the CM more forward at turn entry and feeling the ski tips pulling the rest of the ski into the turn. Your stance would benefit from a bit less knee bend. I'd also like to see you beginning turns with the new inside ski and keeping it involved in guiding the turn throughout. The video looks to me as though you're starting all turns with an extension of the new outside leg and that move is a bit too upward and sideways to keep the edging working throughout the turns. If you want to extend, think about extending with both legs and think about doing that as part of applying the new edges.
post #22 of 28
Thread Starter 

put some new links in

to make it easier to view the vid's....See first post at the top of the thread
post #23 of 28
hey Tag, nice to see you again.
post #24 of 28
Thread Starter 

perception vs reality

First a couple of notes:

ssh - sorry not to post that I would be up at Copper to you and all the other Summit Bears. Never very sure of schedules when I'm up with family and that makes it difficult to try to meet up with folks. Would welcome the chance to try to get some turns in next time.

dewd & BigE, sorry but I don't get your comments. BigE, are you looking for more up & down movement between the turns or are you saying you think the turns are too static?


I am my Father afterall

I have an old picture of my Dad skiing. He was a very smooth, but classical skier - feet together, skidding around the turns, rather upright stance (he died before the shaped ski revolution) and I think I ski a lot like him (and my brother, who has obviously seen us both, has made this same comment). As I watch these two videos, I must admit that I am a bit disappointed. I thought I was skiing better than I am (now about that perception vs reality thread).

When I passed from being a stem-christie intermediate skier to parallel skiing, it was what most of you derisively call the 'glue-booted' days. For me, I was taught that it meant a very quiet upper-body, shoulders perpendicular to the fall line, chest facing downhill, feet/boots together (we knew when we were doing it right by the scraping marks on the inside of our boots), weight on the inside or uphill ski - pushing it down into the lower or downhill ski. I'm not sure if my instructor meant for me to always do that or this was just his way to break my stem-christie, but it became my habit. Let the skis get out from underneath you and somewhat of necessity, the weight winds up back on the heels and you effectively get windshield wiper turns. Stand upright and you get a nice smooth parallel skidded turn. Another old favorite drill: take your poles, grasp the basket of the right pole in your left hand, basket of the left pole in your right hand, so you are holding the poles parallel to the ground out in front of you. Head down the fall line, striving to keep your shoulders and chest perpendicular to the fall line while you keep the poles parallel to the slope.

I won't get into a long history of my skiing, but once Tag Jr. came along and my skiing days increased and I got newer gear, I started to play around with my technique and realized that the first thing that had to change was to get my weight over to the downhill ski. Took a bit of work, but I did change that.

I do like the first video better than the second, but still feel that I am waaaay too upright. There is not enough angulation between the upper body and legs, although I am glad to see that the inside ski is outside of the outside shoulder on some of the turns. Again, my perception is that I am getting a lot more angulation than I see in the video. Likewise, my stance feels much wider to me when I'm skiing than what I see on the film (and I'm skiing on Volkl AC4's, for chrisssake!). The little bobble on the ice patch shows that the stance is too narrow.

My other cardinal sin is geting my weight on my heels. Rusty picked up on this in the first video and the second clip shows it even more. It always becomes more pronounced on a steeper run because a) I'm more like to sit back rather than drive forward on a steeper hill and b) it's my way of controlling my speed - less carve, more skid. I was trying to be a bit more aggressive on the second clip, but somehow being more agressive doesn't always seem to work for me. I feel like I ski better, not when I'm being agressive, but when I focus on keeping my weight on the balls of my feet and off of my heels.

Anyway, I keep working at it, but it's tough to teach an old dog new tricks :
post #25 of 28
Quote:
Originally Posted by therusty
Next I worked with my copy of Windows Media recorder. This product has now been upgraded to something called Replay Video. There was an old thread on here somewhere that told you how to get this software free from peer to peer sharing, but I just bought a copy off the main site because it's the right thing to do. The old product seems simple enough, but for the life of me reading the directions does not get the job done. It's got different programs for recording from realplayer or windows media clips and wants to know the URL of the clip it's recording. Sites like Putfile want you to view the clip in a player embedded in the browser window, so you've got to right click and hop on one foot to get that info. Anyway, the latest RealPlayer allowed me to get a separate player window going and get to the URL. A little hand waving and WMR captured the clip. Finally, OUILA - I had an mpg clip I could open in V1.

I suppose I should upgrade my WMR to the new stuff to see if it makes it easier to get to work, but I have had enough jerking around with this kind of crap for this week. It's no wonder I get paid a small fortune to do this kind of crap for my day job.
The thread that originially told the Bear community about WMR was mine, I was the first to use it. I agree that URL mode is the only way to make the program work. I used it to DL this clip, since it befuddled quicktime within firefox.

If anyone wants the app with the keygen, I can email it to them. It also works well for DL-ing the videos off of sport1.at, which is why I originally posted about it.
post #26 of 28
Thread Starter 
Hey, Lars! Wish our trips to Copper had overlapped. It would have been fun to make some turns with you! Hope you had a great trip out there.
post #27 of 28
Thread Starter 
Also looks like I start a turn with the weight forward, but finish the turn with my weight on my heels.
post #28 of 28
Tag,

I hadn't commented on this before, because I wasn't able to view it, so I had been ignoring the thread. But I happened to try it again, and lo-and-behold, it worked in the new format.
So here's what I see. I've spent a lot of time skiing like this.
  • Your skiing is fairly passive/defensive, you should try to be a bit more aggressive/offensive. To do this, I'd like to see more ankle flex, and the angle of your spine match that of your lower leg, as well as rounding the spine just a bit. Your skiing very tall and straight in the back. you have open ankle joints and bent knees which pulls your weight back. Try lowering your stance a bit to make this happen, but don't hinge at the waist.
  • The angulation seems to be coming from the spine. It should be happening at the hips. There almost seems to be a bit of a lead into the turn with the shoulders, dipping and rotating just a bit to start the turn (did you ever learn the mambo or wedlen? I think I see hints of it). I'd suggest using the pole plant a little more aggressively to get the arm swing to get the upper body a bit more stable.
  • Get the skis just a bit further apart. The narrow stance may be inhibiting your ability to angulate at the hips
  • There is definitely a strong up-and-over move, resulting in very little pressure from the skis to the snow at the beginning of the turn. Hopefully, a lower stance will help with this, but the thought process is more about releasing the old turn so that your CM moved forward and into the new turn, as opposed to starting a new turn with an abrupt move. The turn transition should actually be a relaxed part of the turn. Your turns seem more relaxed through the belly of the turns and more effort at the transition.
That said, it's very good skiing, just highly stylized from a few decades ago. Stein would be quite proud! . There is very good steering, a strong inside half, good control and balance, and generally nice and relaxed.
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