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post #61 of 81
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Originally Posted by Atomicman
saudan's:

Here is someone who knows Bode!

http://www.summitdaily.com/article/2...NEWS/101120044

This is even before the Olympics!!!!
That article is bullshit. Fiala should know better than to play the "role model" card. Raising kids and being a role model is a parent's job, not an athlete's. Even if kids do get the wrong idea and drink the night before a race, SO WHAT? Again, that's the parent's concern, no one else's.

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Fiala, who still keeps in close contact with Daron Rahlves while the U.S. team is in Europe, said he thinks the biggest shame resulting from Miller's behavior is the attention is takes away from Rahlves and the other American racers. They're doing everything right, Fiala said, but the only questions they're asked relate to the loose cannon who does whatever he wants.
If Bode stops beating the other racers on the team and the tour, then people won't listen to him anymore. Former F1 champ Jacques Villeneuve had a way of speaking his mind too, and people listened, and many of them got pissed at him too. But then he switched teams and stopped winning, and now no one listens to him. End of story.
post #62 of 81
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Originally Posted by Atomicman
So, I can't have and voice an opinion on anyone.

Have you watched Sportscenter lately. or listen to ESPN radio.

All those guys do is gossip about who is doing what & how well.
Sure you can I find unopinionated people horrendously dull.

I just don't see why people get so worked up about a skier's character, lifestyle and opinions, when the most important thing about a skier is, imho, his skiing.

Let's start a thread about Miller's skiing and I'll be all over it shouting as loud as anyone else

Not to say that an athletes life isn't interesting or important (I can't wait for Maier's book to get here - had to order it in german in case something got mistranslated ) - but when it comes to lifestyle it seems that people expect so much more of athletes then they do of anyone else. I prefer to think that Miller's choices and opinions should be measured with the same yardstick we'd use for anyone else (a friend, a coworker, the delivery boy etc), only his skiing has to be much much above par.

jinx
post #63 of 81
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Originally Posted by jinx
Sure you can I find unopinionated people horrendously dull.

I just don't see why people get so worked up about a skier's character, lifestyle and opinions, when the most important thing about a skier is, imho, his skiing.

Let's start a thread about Miller's skiing and I'll be all over it shouting as loud as anyone else

Not to say that an athletes life isn't interesting or important (I can't wait for Maier's book to get here - had to order it in german in case something got mistranslated ) - but when it comes to lifestyle it seems that people expect so much more of athletes then they do of anyone else. I prefer to think that Miller's choices and opinions should be measured with the same yardstick we'd use for anyone else (a friend, a coworker, the delivery boy etc), only his skiing has to be much much above par.

jinx
come on Jinx, let's be real here! He is on THE US SKI TEAM!!!!!
NOT THE BODE MILLER SKI TEAM!!!! Like it or not, there are rules, expectations and decorum and limited resources!!!! the USST folks have said they spend a ridiculous amount of time dealing with Bode and that he is a pain in the ass and he takes up way too much of their time cleaning up after him. I suppose when his skiing deteriorates to point where it is no longer a good situation he'll either quit or get the boot.

You must admit after winning the WC title and being the best US skier in years he was pretty lame for the entire year previosu to the Olympics he constantly spoted off that maybe he wouldn't even ski in the Olympics in '06 That was disgusting!
post #64 of 81
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Originally Posted by Atomicman
come on Jinx, let's be real here! He is on THE US SKI TEAM!!!!!
NOT THE BODE MILLER SKI TEAM!!!! Like it or not, there are rules, expectations and decorum and limited resources!!!! the USST folks have said they spend a ridiculous amount of time dealing with Bode and that he is a pain in the ass and he takes up way too much of their time cleaning up after him. I suppose when his skiing deteriorates to point where it is no longer a good situation he'll either quit or get the boot.

You must admit after winning the WC title and being the best US skier in years he was pretty lame for the entire year previosu to the Olympics he constantly spoted off that maybe he wouldn't even ski in the Olympics in '06 That was disgusting!
Without Bode and the attention he brings to the team, the resources would be even more limited because like it or not, there is truth to the saying "there is no such thing as bad publicity".

And since when is it mandatory for any athlete to participate in the Olympic Games? They are athletes, not soldiers.
post #65 of 81
yup, but they keep him, so whatever sh*t he dishes out is theirs to handle. don't the USST folks have a choice in the matter? can't they get rid of him if he's too much of a pain in the ass? i guess he makes if worth it in the end, i dounbt they keep him on out of the kindness of their hearts.

yeah, his comments on the olympics were borderline retarded i hear, but since i only follow the races actively, the occasional interview or comment i've inadvertantly caught isn't enough to form a justifyable opinion.

jinxie
post #66 of 81
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Originally Posted by Bez
Without Bode and the attention he brings to the team, the resources would be even more limited because like it or not, there is truth to the saying "there is no such thing as bad publicity".

And since when is it mandatory for any athlete to participate in the Olympic Games? They are athletes, not soldiers.
the attention he brings lately is not what the people with the resources are interested in !

That is absolutely absurd. You are the #1 guy on the US ski team and you you are knda maybe thinkin about possibly coming to the olympics. You've sealed the deal on true idiocy with a comment like that!
post #67 of 81
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Originally Posted by jinx
yup, but they keep him, so whatever sh*t he dishes out is theirs to handle. don't the USST folks have a choice in the matter? can't they get rid of him if he's too much of a pain in the ass? i guess he makes if worth it in the end, i dounbt they keep him on out of the kindness of their hearts.

yeah, his comments on the olympics were borderline retarded i hear, but since i only follow the races actively, the occasional interview or comment i've inadvertantly caught isn't enough to form a justifyable opinion.

jinxie
Only time will tell, he still may get the boot!

My opinion means nothing but Marolt & McNichol have not been amused by his antics, that is for sure!
post #68 of 81

bez

Dead wrong. You alluded that Bode bring money to the team. You forget that there are many of us who check the contribution box each and every year that we renew (do you ???), and that those dollars support the team.

The Barilla $$$ ... go to Bode.

Barilla is now off our shelves .... Ronzoni is back ... I vote with my dollars. I'm sure the Barilla thing was more Euro market niche, but what the hell.

Note that there appears to be a new Bode on the horizon who now says that he likes the coaches and wants to be on the team.

We, the USSA members pay a good dollar to keep Bode where he is and that is how he got there. On MY money ..... a half a tank of diesel for the Bode bus, but when the tank runs dry .... he will have to walk.

I do hope that he has a great season next year and was glad to see him have a good ending to this season.
post #69 of 81
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Originally Posted by Atomicman
So, I can't have and voice an opinion on anyone.

Have you watched Sportscenter lately. or listen to ESPN radio.

All those guys do is gossip about who is doing what & how well.
A-man, you can and should, certainly, voice your opinion.. At the same time you should realize that doing so in an open forum exposes you to others who can and will criticise your opinions. Debating and defending your opinions is your prerogative.

Personally I think these debates are a bit better than the 24/7 talk shows on the red sox.. But not by much, since most people seem unable to debate a point period..
post #70 of 81
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Originally Posted by coug
But not by much, since most people seem unable to debate a point period..
can we debate that opinion? ...it's just insulting enough in a broad, general sort of way.

jinx
post #71 of 81
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Originally Posted by Atomicman
the attention he brings lately is not what the people with the resources are interested in !

That is absolutely absurd. You are the #1 guy on the US ski team and you you are knda maybe thinkin about possibly coming to the olympics. You've sealed the deal on true idiocy with a comment like that!
What is so important about the Olympic games anyways? Lets examine this closer, shall we?

The Olympic Games take approximately two weeks out of every four years. The World Cup season lasts approximately 5 months, or about 150 days. That is 600 days compared to 14 , or approximately 42 times as much time. There are 5 races during the Olympic games. There are usually around 40 races on the World Cup tour every year, several combineds, plus two World Championships between every Olympic year, with 5 races during each of those championships. That's over 170 races, or more than 34 times as many races as there are during the Olympics. The World Cup also gives out 4 discipline trophies at the end of every year, plus an overall title. That's another 20 World Cup trophies, plus 10 World Championship trophies up for grabs between Olympics.

60,000 people show up to watch the races at Kitzbuhel every year, and around 30,000 go to the Schladming slaloms. Both those numbers usually eclipse Olympic Games numbers, unles the Olypics are being held in an Alpine nation.

Every World Cup race is different, but winning one is usually worth between $10,000 and $50,000. There is no prize money for winning an olympic medal, though some countries have introduced "bonuses".

I don't have tv numbers at my disposal, but though the Olympic Games may peak in viewership by the simple fact a lot of non-regular fans curiously tuning in, over the course of four years, viewership for the World Cup and the World Championships is probably equal to or greater than for those two Olympic weeks.

While the Olympic Games have a certain clout and importance, why is that so? And to whom? Certainly not to the millions of Europeans, (who are arguably the most educated fans about racing) who value a season title, a win at the World Championships or at Kitzbuhel far more than any Olympic medal.

So idiocy, you say? I beg to differ. Perhaps it may also be claimed that putting so much emphasis on the Olympics is idiocy.
post #72 of 81
SO now we are going to debate the importance of the Olympic Games!

WOW!!!! I don't think so!!!

Over & out!
A-man!
post #73 of 81
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Originally Posted by coug
A-man, you can and should, certainly, voice your opinion.. At the same time you should realize that doing so in an open forum exposes you to others who can and will criticise your opinions. Debating and defending your opinions is your prerogative.

Personally I think these debates are a bit better than the 24/7 talk shows on the red sox.. But not by much, since most people seem unable to debate a point period..
You are right and i have no problem with that part of it. when it gets personal and name calling becomes the rule & not the exception, I see that as time to sya i am entitled to my opinion!
post #74 of 81
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Originally Posted by Atomicman
SO now we are going to debate the importance of the Olympic Games!

WOW!!!! I don't think so!!!
Sacred Cow? Whatever. There are plenty of athletes in non-Olympic sports, and plenty of athletes in sports that ARE in the Games, who don't give a shit about the Olympics. Is that such a surprise? Do you think Lance Armstrong would trade any of his Tour de France wins for more Olympic medals? Of course not.
post #75 of 81
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Originally Posted by Bez
Every World Cup race is different, but winning one is usually worth between $10,000 and $50,000.
It's probably a side-point, but this isn't quite right. There's no World Cup race that's as low as $10,000 for first, and only a few are as high as $50,000.

The lowest men's prize for winning is 30,000 Swiss francs, which is about twenty-some thousand dollars. The higher ones are 50,000 Swiss francs, or something under $40,000. The only races above about that level (men's or women's) are Zagreb and Kitzbuhel.

Bode Miller was the top prize-money earner for the 2004-05 season, with something in the neighborhood of $350,000. His total income isn't public knowledge, but it was something on the order of 10 times that. The balance came from sponsors. The Olympics is very important to sponsors.
post #76 of 81
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Originally Posted by sjjohnston
It's probably a side-point, but this isn't quite right. There's no World Cup race that's as low as $10,000 for first, and only a few are as high as $50,000.

The lowest men's prize for winning is 30,000 Swiss francs, which is about twenty-some thousand dollars. The higher ones are 50,000 Swiss francs, or something under $40,000. The only races above about that level (men's or women's) are Zagreb and Kitzbuhel.

Bode Miller was the top prize-money earner for the 2004-05 season, with something in the neighborhood of $350,000. His total income isn't public knowledge, but it was something on the order of 10 times that. The balance came from sponsors. The Olympics is very important to sponsors.
Thanks for clearing up the exact numbers.

I agree that the Olympics are important to a lot of sponsors, (although many sponsors only shell out cash during Olympic years, nice...), but that still doesn't make it a foregone conclusion, as Atomicman seems to think, that the Olympics are the most important event to everyone, including sponsors, or even that they should be. If that were the case, like I alluded to with the Lance Armstrong case, Lance would have trained to win one day events as featured in the Olympics instead of multi-day stage races like the Tour de France. But he didn't, because to him, (and yes, to his sponsors),the Tour means much more than the Olympics. I'm sure the same goes for most of the tennis players who would rather be known as a Wimbeldon or US Open champion, or the hockey players a Stanley Cup or Hart trophy winner, than an Olympic gold medallist. So just because the Olympics are the most important event for a lot of people, the assumption that this so for everyone, including skiers and their fans, is simply not correct. So if Bode Miller says he is thinking of skipping the Olympic games, it shouldn't be so hard to understand that is because he values other things more.

Over and out!! -Bez Man.
post #77 of 81
If you read the last page of the most recent Ski Racing magazine or the Article about Michela Dorfmeister, you would see how wrong you are. Get a grip on reality! Now you know what is important to all the athletes and what isn't, huh?

The articles above prove you have no clue!
post #78 of 81
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Originally Posted by jinx
can we debate that opinion? ...it's just insulting enough in a broad, general sort of way.

jinx
Precisely.. I am feeling the truth at you : ..




EDIT:-That was a phrease coined by Stephen Colbert..
post #79 of 81
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Originally Posted by Atomicman
If you read the last page of the most recent Ski Racing magazine or the Article about Michela Dorfmeister, you would see how wrong you are. Get a grip on reality! Now you know what is important to all the athletes and what isn't, huh?

The articles above prove you have no clue!
I wasn't saying I know what is important to all athletes, but apparently you are. I just pointed out that what is most important to some, even most athletes, isn't what is most important for ALL athletes. Some, like Bode Miller and Lance Armstrong, (and every other "pro" who chose a pro career over an Olympic one before pros were allowed), think other things are more important than the Olympic Games. Sorry, but THAT'S reality, and I do have a grip on it. You, on the other hand, still need to work on your definition of the word "all".

BTW, I don't have the articles you mention. Care to take a stab at this debate in your own words?
post #80 of 81
Bez,

I agree. The Olympics is nothing to road bikers, when compared to the TdF or any number of other races that most Americans have never heard of. The same is true for many other sports. I'm far from anything close to a soccer fan, but I'm pretty sure the footballers of Europe care a whole lot more about their World Cup than the Olympics. Take a look at Ice Hockey. While it's cool to win it, the teams are not real teams, but a bunch of guys with a similar ancestry, that get thrown together for a few weeks. Most of which seem to be NHL players. I'm sure the Stanley Cup is a lot more important than an Olympic medal. Ditto for basketball.

The only sports where the Olympics are the premire event, are sports that have little other coverage at any other time, such as bobsleigh, speed skating, rowing, shotput, etc. Even figure skating and gymnastics get little coverage outside of the Olympics, so the Oly's becomes their highlight.
post #81 of 81
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Originally Posted by JohnH
Bez,

I agree. The Olympics is nothing to road bikers, when compared to the TdF or any number of other races that most Americans have never heard of.
It's not quite nothing to the Paolo Bettini. Ever since winning the Athens men's road race he's worn a gold helmet in the peloton--and he has a bunch of other wins in his palmares(World Cups, World Cup overall, Giro and Tour stages, Italian national champ) , so it's not like he's grasping onto the one big win of his career.
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